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Why are criminals able to dock in highsec?

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Faltharion Estidal
Lifeless Sun
#1 - 2013-06-21 18:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Faltharion Estidal
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2013-06-21 18:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Because Scotty prefers to keep the docking queue in order and really hates cleaning up scrap metal on the undocking ramp.
As long as they've shown that they can keep the finger off the trigger for long enough to not make a mess of his hangar bay, it's all ok by him.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#3 - 2013-06-21 18:55:49 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Because in a world where people never really die, people don't generally go batty when a known murderer (in this case just a clone defacer) comes into system. Not many people are clamoring for justice and for the accused ot be hunted down and podded, not to mention it won't actually kiil the guy, he just goes to a new pod.

That being said, if he shows up in a ship CONCORD will fire on him to destroy his ship and prevent any chance of him defacing others properties. Once in a pod, he is not a threat to other peoples interest and is allowed to go about his business.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#4 - 2013-06-21 19:06:51 UTC
Because the nullsec zealot cartel guys insisted it be that way!

Amidoinitrite? Where's that tinfoil guy that can't spell Piranha?

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#5 - 2013-06-21 19:12:00 UTC
The same reason why a Minmatar militia fighter is allowed to dock up in Amarr. Ie it doesn't make any sense.
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-21 19:15:37 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


To whom do these criminals belong? And why are you asking if we are after them?
Lady Areola Fappington
#7 - 2013-06-21 19:17:27 UTC
Here's yer quick lore answer:

Normal humans are quite rightly afraid of capsuleers, so station managers aren't going to risk their position/lives/lives of their families by pissing off the wrong capsuleer.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#8 - 2013-06-21 19:18:21 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.

+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-06-21 19:21:32 UTC
I personally think that if you are being chased by the faction police, you should not be able to dock. Should be a specific faction timer for using services in that empire space (stargates are fine as they want you to leave anyways).

Of course, I've reshipped in trade hubs while seeing the systemwide spam calling my name, but still... I shouldn't be able to.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-06-21 19:22:20 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
So go out and make it so.
It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with it… Blink
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-21 19:25:29 UTC
Yeah, it is strange.

To be fair though, most stations in highsec are owned by private parties, not CONCORD. Maybe that explains why criminals can dock in highsec. Private companies etc. just don't care enough about CONCORD's rules to keep the criminals (and their money) out.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
#12 - 2013-06-21 19:28:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
So go out and make it so.
It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with it… Blink



Peace through strength.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2013-06-21 19:29:44 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

Normal humans are quite rightly afraid of capsuleers, so station managers aren't going to risk their position/lives/lives of their families by pissing off the wrong capsuleer.


This. Capsuleers enjoy a number of frightening perks for their job:


  • Diplomatic and/or Legal immunity. Local police and militaries have no control over Capsuleers beside brute force. We go where we want, we do what we want, and the only people who can slap us on the wrist are CONCORD.
  • Priority service. Both at Stargates and Stations, capsuleers are served at the front of the line, every time. The (invisible) NPC traffic that is sure to exist simply have to wait for us. In fact, we don't even have to follow traffic laws... we just fly wherever we want.
  • Extreme wealth. A few thousand ISK is more than the combined lifetime earnings of an average middle class two person family.
  • Insanity. If you think about it in the context of a fictional world, some of the things we go around doing and saying simply make no damn sense. We're unpredictable, fickle, quick to anger, and entirely immature.
  • Big spaceships with guns. Obvious.
  • Immortality. Obvious.


I wouldn't want to say no to the worst of our kind (-10.0 outlaws) if I was just a normal docking manager either. Who knows what he might do to me?!

Katrina Oniseki
Lady Areola Fappington
#14 - 2013-06-21 19:38:00 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:


This. Capsuleers enjoy a number of frightening perks for their job:


  • Diplomatic and/or Legal immunity. Local police and militaries have no control over Capsuleers beside brute force. We go where we want, we do what we want, and the only people who can slap us on the wrist are CONCORD.
  • Priority service. Both at Stargates and Stations, capsuleers are served at the front of the line, every time. The (invisible) NPC traffic that is sure to exist simply have to wait for us. In fact, we don't even have to follow traffic laws... we just fly wherever we want.
  • Extreme wealth. A few thousand ISK is more than the combined lifetime earnings of an average middle class two person family.
  • Insanity. If you think about it in the context of a fictional world, some of the things we go around doing and saying simply make no damn sense. We're unpredictable, fickle, quick to anger, and entirely immature.
  • Big spaceships with guns. Obvious.
  • Immortality. Obvious.


I wouldn't want to say no to the worst of our kind (-10.0 outlaws) if I was just a normal docking manager either. Who knows what he might do to me?!


Exactly. Read some of the EVE chronicles that talk about capsuleers. We threaten entire planetary governments for PI, perform fatal lab experiments on humans just to make hardwires, and run fight to the death gladiator matches in our cargo holds.

The only thing Scotty cares about is making sure our gun barrels have cooled down before we dock up. Otherwise, we might decide Scotty's family looks perfect for janitorial duty onboard Suicide Catalyst #4331

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#15 - 2013-06-21 19:56:21 UTC

Criminals have to restock ammo in the market too silly.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-21 20:03:19 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
So go out and make it so.
It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with it… Blink



Peace through strength.

no, peace through liberal use of nukes.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#17 - 2013-06-21 20:05:44 UTC
They can dock because they can.


Now everybody get back to the game!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#18 - 2013-06-21 20:06:19 UTC
Cause it's too much of a hassle for CCP to make a fitting concept.

It would be very difficult for a player to recover it's criminal status if the npc factions would reject anything.



At least x3 is realistic in that concept.
stoicfaux
#19 - 2013-06-21 20:13:01 UTC
Yes, but the Mortals control the cloning vats. If a Capsuleer losses access the vats, they can die for realsies.

And if you read the novels, CONCORD and the Factions are either completely powerless against capsuleers or near omniscient and omnipotent Machiavellian trickster gods depending on writer's fiat.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#20 - 2013-06-21 20:38:49 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Because the nullsec zealot cartel guys insisted it be that way!

Amidoinitrite? Where's that tinfoil guy that can't spell Piranha?


Why don't you look up the age of the char that DOES have the proper spelling of the name?
If you stopped running off making snide comments, you might learn something.
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