EVE General Discussion

Only afk miners were bringing materials into the game with no effort on their part, seriously devaluing the market. CCP kinda cares about that thing. People have been complaining about afk cloaking since I joined the game and CCP has not done anything about it because its not a problem, and trust me, I argued your side once a llong time ago, but I've come to understand the situation and have changed my position.

Listen, a cloaked ship makes no isk. it doesn't mine materials, it doesn't earn pirate bounty, it doesn't transport goods, it doesn''t play the market. It does nothing but scare weak-minded people. It has zero effect on people who know what it is and are prepared to deal with it. It only forces you to adapt to their presence in system because you let it.

And the whole reason it exists in the first place is because of local intel. AFK cloaking is a player made solution to a broken mechanic, and you want it changed because now an unknown has been introduced to what you thought was a 100% effective safety blanket. You want CCP to make it so you always know when its safe to go out and bring isk into the game by ratting and mining.

Well, if that guy wants to waste his 15$ a month sitting afk in a system, I don't think CCP is going to care. He's not doing anything but helping to control the isk faucet problem.

All local should be delayed everywhere, when you use communicatons in space, it should reveal your identity to all. If you have radio silence, then you are not revealed.

If you want instant chat, talk to your corp in corp chat or fleet chat or something. If you publically broadcast, then reveal yourself, if not then your hidden on chat.

Local is being abused as an intel channel, it is not its designed purpose. The only people I see whining about it are those depending on it for intel, well, use scanners, that is an ingame feature designed for intel and location. Not chat.

You know, you generally don't use articles after possessives in English.

That said, you still have to agree that auto-piloting in highsec should require a button-press or automatically log people off after a few jumps, right?

Because they're inherently passive and unable to do anything, you mean? Eh… that doesn't make sense. “They should get even more free intel because they're passive and unable to do anything”… but they are not passive and they are able to do stuff. So your guess is wrong.

Try again: why should people get even more intel for free regarding the state of cloakers, on top of the already powerful and free intel that local provides?

How is it BS? What does making money effortlessly and without any interaction, trivially and actively having huge effects on the game economy (which is what they wanted to change) have to do with doing absolutely nothing? What makes you think that anything related to the former is in any way relevant for the latter?

Hey Sarcasm, what kind of ratting or mining ship do you fly?

I want to help you out. I like helping people, I'll show you how you can do whatever it is you do right under the nose of active hunter ships, let alone a cloaked inactive one.

We don't refuse to accept any arguments, we simply want you to answer questions with facts and not feelings.
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Well said


Most of these "discussions" boil down to fact/evidence based thinkers vs emotional/feeling/perception based thinkers. The emotional types tend to think that how they "feel" is how everyone should feel and that if you don't there is something wrong with you or you have an agenda.

The emotional types (which is what most of the "brilliant idea" people are) tend to be really selfish and can't see beyond their own immediate needs. So when someone like me (a target rather than a cloaker) tells them they are going about it all wrong they consider us traitors in a sense.

Like when i posted disagreeing with Local blinking in null sec (something that I very much benefit from) some people were like "dude, do you WANT someone to blow up your Machariel".. To which i answered "no, of course not, but the truth is null sec isn't about safety and comfort".

They just can't process how anyone could think like me. I can't process that level of seflishness and lazyness in a video game lol.

Thank you for the kind offer but I left null a month ago.

Well anytime you get the urge to go back to the lucrative yet shark infested waters that are null, hit me up. I will gladly teach you how to swim outside the cage.

Don't say that, next thing you know, CCP will nerf tear ducts, they nerf everything!