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Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-06-21 17:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Not really. The potential economic and industrial possibilities are interesting, but that is it. The reason for this is the strict separation between the communities and the games. It's a situation where the two different games, with different hardware, with different communities share gameplay. No added interaction between the games can fix it as long as it's not on the PC.

The problem is also, that neighter can expand to it's full potential, because the other game already inhabits the same space. EVE players were really interested in the possibility of landing on planets, flying in atmosphere and taking your character to actually go out and fight in a true open scifi universe. Most of that will never happen now because of DUST and what's even worse is, that there is a hardware barrier preventing an EVE player from accessing that gameplay with ease. EVE's future potential was literally removed from us, given to another game and easy access to it was denied to us by making it a PS3 exclusive. As long as I can't just start up my PC and log on to EVE and DUST, the less space DUST occupies in the EVE universe the better it is for our game. It's a shame, but that's how it is.
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#22 - 2013-06-21 17:32:16 UTC
I always thought connecting Dust to EvE is a waste of time. Doesn't add anything meaningful to the core game itself.
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-21 17:35:45 UTC
I want eve to be more then a spaceship game, i hope dust is there for marketing and that one day we will get to play more then spaceships making it one great game... i hate the fact that they are adding another game, thats why i play eve, to only refer to one game, i dont like other series like BF3 CoD who all they do is get another game out the same or other game developers who just do different things everyday.

i dont want dust on pc or anything, i want eve to get more features, why did they work on dust instead of making it for eve players?... so menny questions...

well il keep playing eve and hope they don't **** it up again, when they'll do il be shooting a statue in space....
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#24 - 2013-06-21 17:43:04 UTC
I think DUST should put all Planetary Interaction within risk. Not being able to destroy a competitor's links and facilities is fairly stupid for Eve. Pirate

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-21 17:54:03 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I went through a system once that had a bunch of pilots with a blue glow around their names in local, I was happy that the display bug fixed itself when I jumped out.


That happened to you too, huh? Glad to know it isn't just me.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#26 - 2013-06-21 17:54:36 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.

Judy Maat wrote:
There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"

You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.


I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

If it means I can troll-strafe planets, sure.
Otherwise: Meh.

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Avett Brother
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-06-21 18:11:10 UTC
You know, I like the idea of Dust. I'll never own a PS3 and will probably never ever play Dust or even see it played unless on youtube.

But I like the idea and concept.

I wish I could give some Dust players a ride or escort to another planet or system. I wish I could blow up ships carrying Dust players. I wish Dust players could start a small city on a small moon and I could come and blow them up.

Or join them.

Or sell them meth.

I just like the idea.

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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#28 - 2013-06-21 18:17:13 UTC
Avett Brother wrote:
You know, I like the idea of Dust. I'll never own a PS3 and will probably never ever play Dust or even see it played unless on youtube.

But I like the idea and concept.

I wish I could give some Dust players a ride or escort to another planet or system. I wish I could blow up ships carrying Dust players. I wish Dust players could start a small city on a small moon and I could come and blow them up.

Or join them.

Or sell them meth.

I just like the idea.

I approve of this.

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Zapp Branniqan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-21 19:49:16 UTC
Allow DUST mercs to storm a POS or a null station?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-21 20:19:48 UTC
Would like to see full market integration, but I suspect that will be the last thing to be done -- if it's ever done at all.

Ergo, I'll believe it when I see it.



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Deaconn Frostt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-21 20:19:49 UTC
To be honest as soon as it said PS3 only I crossed it off the list.

I would have rather them have come up with more unique and improved gameplay for eve it self such as super carriers actually being able to carry people in thier ships in the hold ready to spew them out into space after cynoing into a battle.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-06-21 20:26:06 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Do people here WANT connection with Dust?


Not really, no.

It's not that I hate it, I just don't care.
Ned Taggart
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-21 20:50:03 UTC
I think it would kinda cool to integrate them, as long as it wouldn't deduct from current gameplay. I think it would be cool to fight it out over planets and their resources. In fact, I would take it even further and add an alliance command structure to it in the form of like an RTS type game that gives orders to the fleets and the squads. I would totally dig flying a hotdrop ship planetside and dropping off a squad while a massive battle is taking place in the system above. Tie all this in with EVR and you have the making of some really epic gaming.


iskflakes
#34 - 2013-06-21 20:56:07 UTC
"Let's have one universe ... wait, actually let's split it into two"

Very few EVE players want DUST. Most of us will never play it as long as it's not on PC.. apparently it has poor reviews anyway, so nothing important was missed.

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Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#35 - 2013-06-21 20:56:28 UTC
I wouldn't mind selling them crap.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#36 - 2013-06-21 21:39:10 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
"Let's have one universe ... wait, actually let's split it into two"

Very few EVE players want DUST. Most of us will never play it as long as it's not on PC.. apparently it has poor reviews anyway, so nothing important was missed.

A few things.
1. The Dust portion of EVE would probably never have come.
They invested a pretty big amount on it, they expect a return.
Now they have TWO income sources, instead of one.

2. What scores did EVE start with again?

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handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#37 - 2013-06-21 21:51:43 UTC
As long as both parties get some meaningful gameplay out of it, sure why not.

PC is not meaningful gameplay btw, since both sides get nothing out of it atm.

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Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#38 - 2013-06-21 22:31:04 UTC
I wouldn't mind seeing more, actual connection, not dependence though. Those kind of games are subject to death, and what everyone's afraid of is it dragging EVE down with it.

Go with the Code.
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Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
#39 - 2013-06-21 22:49:15 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.

Judy Maat wrote:
There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"

You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.


I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.



This was always going to be Dust's biggest problem, it either has to have so little impact on Eve that it can safely be ignored, or it has to have such a large impact that it can't.

A much as I personally would love to see it (hopefully as some kind of replacement to the current sovereignty system) the latter is not possbile as long as Dust remains a console exclusive, people who have put the time and effort to build up their little corner of space are simply not going to tolerate losing it based on the outcome of a battle they cannot participate in, and no, orbital bombardment doesn't count.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#40 - 2013-06-21 22:50:35 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM.

Hmm, that's a problem I feel.
Why isn't this game on equal footing?
It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE.
This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides.

Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus.


In my experience resources, advertising and money do not guarantee a great game. If anything the big AAA titles of the last 5 years have been mostly rehashes of existing concepts, with some motion sensors tacked on for good measure. A 10 year plan for a console FPS seems excessive, almost as if nobody ever looked at the actual life expectancy of a console FPS. I just don't believe in that model. If it works for CCP all power to them, but the only FPS to be still commercially relevant 10 years later is the original Doom. And that's not because it connects to some other game about internet spaceships.