EVE General Discussion

It would create tiny monsters who are called the "Power Creeps". They are related to Cavity Creeps but are immune to Floride based toothpastes.

I see it all the time. It's the easiest way to move them station to station. Surely you don't suggest that someone hire a freighter/JF just to move a few extra subsystems?

They don't invalidate any class above them, at all or the person doing and thinking this does it wrong.

Would you take my T2 rage ham 850 dps Tengu over your 800 T2 rails mega for POS /structure bashing? -no? why???

Would you take your 800DPS 130k EHP mega to tank The Maze over my 850 dps ham rage Tengu? -no? why???

Again, there's a task to achieve, you have a bad tool for it, a good tool for it and the perfect tool for it, not because CCP said so but because players spent time theroycrafting about it and came up with results CCP couldn't even expect or think possible despite their numerous spreadsheets and beautiful graphs.

If at some point some ship class is over performing many others the first question to ask is "what makes the difference?"

ATM for T3's is clearly pretty simple: HACs are shite and Command ships are double shite because of a bad game mechanic poorly implemented.

Would that be a problem T3 command subs being a bit more powfull if they had to be on grid? -of course not
Who would put hundreds of millions in faction command processors full highs of links for a ship once all this fitted would have at best the EHP of a Navy Caracal?

The command ship would still be the best choice because of a larger tank still able to deal some dmg, drop drones and for sure a much better bait tank.

Again the ship it self or the sub needs changes but every single aspect needs to be considered and I'm sure at the end of the day some player will come out with something completely unexpected and a valuable choice.

Lets talk about T2 ships, lets talk about what they need to achieve the tasks they're designed for and eventual hulls to complete lacking roles, but for god sake leave T3's alone for now the last thing they need is that someone starts messing with without any clue what he's doing about and totally ruin such an awesome addition in this game.

Were all of you whining about power creep when they introduced T2 ships and guns too?

ABCs own the sniper role but HACs can do more than snipe.

Yep, and it was horseshit before, and it's still horseshit now.

Because to the players, cost is a factor.

If you can pay 1/3 as much for a ship that does the job just as well (or, as you suggest, better), guess what? You will do just that.

At which point, you can just remove T3s from the game. (And, since they are the backbone of the WH economy, you can just remove that too)

What you fail to realize is that there are far reaching implications to nerfing some ships, that just are not present in Empire space. Whatever petty concerns or resentment people have about getting owned by someone in a T3 doesn't even come close to the repercussions of the nerfs some people have been proposing.

Please note, I am all for the total removal of off grid boosting, that needs to die in a fire, but it does not need to take T3s with it.

For what it's worth (basically nothing), I don't agree either. I've seen several very strong Legion builds that perform well in many roles.

As Schultz says, it's pointless to try and discuss T3 until the T2 medium range has been reworked.

It's obvious that the t3 link boosters are going to be thoroughly changed, and once they're removed from the equation, the situation is much less clear-cut than some make it out to be.

indeed it's the best approach.