Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Even if it were a 'nerf' to the punisher against a rifter it is still a buff to the punisher verses a cruiser/BC/BS since bleeder fits actually become possible again.

SO is it a nerf or a buff to the punisher?

Its very confusing for people who can only see the world as black or white.

Oh cmon Ranger 1 ... be smart and good guy, stop defending this terrible balance pass on Nosferatu. Mark of wise people is not to be smart 24/7, but also to admit when you are in mistake.

Like here, people put many examples you just have no idea how to counter - like NOS being total **** on battleships (i think not only on battleships tbh).
It's **** on high base cap ships.

Ok honestly there is enough proff that this change is bad. Really i don't want to point every single , anyone can read about those in this topic already.

Ranger 1 you said NOS is next to useless , i agree ... and i don't want it to be COMPLETLY useless for many ships and somehow too good on ships THAT DO not deserve buffs (pointing at slashers and other minmatar low base cap trash).

Nerfing already bad module is no way to go. Who will mount it if it will become even worse than it is now ? Tell me ? Sure some ships will like it. But module will be bad for so many ships that could/or already do use it NOW.

This change is like nerf to punisher but buff to rifter(example). If that is how balance works then i'm deeply disappointed.

When balancing module devs need to keep in mind how it will affect every single ship . Because mods are supposed to be mounted on ships. Devs need to see if its good or bad for certain ships.

I know some of you may stock modules in station , theorycraft or fight in EFT - but i want modules to be good for every race and every ship people fly actually. In this case balance pass doesn't give a **** about it's impact on certain ships. Just ok so now it's base cap not % ...

For Devs ... You know why it is % ? I can tell you why. So the module is as useful for slasher as it is for executioner etc.
The module whatever you want to think about it - is somehow balanced in its usefulness for ships from diffrent races and sizes.
What you are doing or hopefully just suggesting is breaking this. Don't do this look at counterarguments. You got many of those in this topic.

DON'T do this.

edit : I did correct some stuff. I know it's still pain to read as I don't care much about how i write (tho i should), but what i try to say ;).

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As the Punisher is one of the best tanking frigates in the game your observation is more than a little silly.

Punisher is not one of best tanking frigates - only good at buffor - which is not even that good anymore after change to % resistance. There are way better tanking frigates around (tormentor can dish out more ehp from buffer + active which is very common fit nowadays), incursus too just to mention from standard t1.
You are silly to think that one of worst frigates around - punisher is best at anything.
Show me those glorious killmails of punishers.
You play this game actually or just post on forums and collect likes ? Because i'm in doubt.

As your every single argument and post in this thread. And it is relevant - maybe not for you but fact that at start of fight slasher can suck executioner like it got neut is somehow VERY RELEVANT. It's just an example.
Now close forums start playing game. I'm forum warrior BUT IN GAME I DO FIGHT TOO. And so i can tell you how things work actually and show you examples where IT IS RELEVANT.

Like here, people put many examples you just have no idea how to counter - like NOS being total **** on battleships (i think not only on battleships tbh).
It's **** on high base cap ships.

Well that's what BS NOS would be effective against... Caps. I'm not saying that's a terribly wise or feasible idea, but from a pure numbers standpoint that's what you would use BS NOS against. If you have reservations about the actual ability for that to happen in game, then that would be a gameplay issue that needs to be addressed. Not so much a NOS one.

Is NOS still shiite? Pretty much yeah. It'll be great for AFs or anything else that is often used to fight up a class. But that's a fairly niche use. Overall, a Neut will still be more useful. And when you get down to it, there isn't much you can change with NOS that doesn't make it the op'd win-button it was before. It has to stay somewhat limited for balance purposes.

But that's just my opinion. What would be great would be to hear the Dev opinions on what's been said so far. That would count for a whole lot more.

Ok on the other hand this man speaks truth - it will be useful for frigates THAT can fight bigger opponents - like AF , or dunno Heavy Assault cruiser. But that doesn't solve problem for many other ships.

As i said it will end up good for some ships but for many others with utility high it will be worse than it is NOW. Something i cannt call buff to NOS at all.

"It will be useful for ANY ship fighting a larger ship... with the possible exception of all of those active tanking Slashers in a frigate fight. Big smileBig smileBig smile"

And it's where you fail again my friend. Glad you did actually come back so i can own even more ;).
Maybe now we don't see tons of active tanking slashers. But trust me if they will be able to rep themselves and drain enemy cap anytime they want using just single module - then you will see those slashers actually mounting active rep. Oh they will.

How making module useful vs bigger ships and making it in many cases useless vs same size or smaller ships can be called buff on the other hand ? Sure module will change after that but only fool can call it straight buff, when it's nerf on many situations.