EVE General Discussion

Well then I have another word for you: Balance.

Cloaks don't need to have something that will directly negate what they do or turn them off when you consider all the actual balanced trade offs already in place.

It puts them at a disadvantage in a number of ways, actually.

Firstly, it's introduced unnecessary extra mouse clicks. Suggesting that a user must mash a button or mouse click arbitrarily in order to sit and do nothing is just horrible horrible design.

Secondly, it provides even more intel and reduces the unknown quantities in nullsec. By the very nature of my ship still being cloaked, you know I'm sitting at the keyboard, ready to press buttons and do things.

As I said earlier in this topic, these whine threads are always, ALWAYS about one thing: People who cannot handle the fact that a cloaked player is an unknown quantity. If you force me to press a button every 15 minutes to stay cloaked, then there is no longer an unknown quantity to cloaked players. That's a bad thing, and serves only the terrible idea that in EVE, in nullsec of all places, you should have absolute, perfect intel and know everything. That's bad. It's wrong. Biomass yourself.

Well if I were out in my cloakie and I needed to go afk in a hostile system without any POS or Station to go safely to, and I have an aggression timer so logofski isn't a viable option for the next 15 minutes, well...I guess I'm boned.

But since I know what it is you are really looking for, let me pose the counter-question: Exactly how would having anyone who hasn't spoken in local chat in 15-30 minutes disappearing off the local window going to change your gameplay?

Scary thought, isn't it? But that's why you don't like the afk cloaker, because it ruins your perfect security blanket that is local intel. Perhaps if you worked on championing a solution to that problem you might get CCP to look inot solving your own personal problems, because it's not a problem to the rest of us.

Source: I rat in 0.0 and dgaf if there is a hostile in local, cloaked or otherwise.

So it's more free intel. What have they done to deserve that?

Also, if that's the kind of intel you want, why not solve it like Kijo suggested: after 15 minutes of inactivity, you're removed from all chat lists?

Why not? Why are you to decide what other players should or should not do in-game?

Sometimes people accidentally expose their real motivation, this eems like one of those times. The problem is AFKing or cloaking or local, it's the fact that people respond poorly to people in the systems they use to make isk in.

I respond properly, by preparing for them, ignoring them, evading them, countering their possoble threat by fitting in creative ways, and (rarely) killing them when they aren't "bluffing". And because I do this, i understand that what they are doing (cloaking, even cloaking and going afk) isn't the problem some of you want it to be.

No, the problem is people too risk-averse to be in null sec (or playing EVE in general) being someplace other than high sec. The problem is people wanting to have their cake (being in null sec making piles of isk) while eating it too (high sec style safety, notice no one complains of cloaking in high sec lol).

The problems are mental weakness, laziness and a feeling of entitlement (to null sec income without having to deal with those pesky null sec issues like blowing up).

It would be different if i was a cloaker, but Im not, im their TARGET, but I take pride in being a Smart-HARD target with a 5 year flawless record of "no candy for you cloak-whore".

It's a shame that some grown folks are just bad at the game while blaming that failure on the game itself. If that last sentence hurts someones feelings, it means you're one of them lol.

Sooo....it tells you that after 30 minutes that the guy in local that you still can't find is an actual active threat, I don't see how that gives one side an advantage at all....I am stumped.

'You're'

I accept your surrender. Are you French perchance?

Prey tell how does someone AFK cloaked in bed asleep, force you to do anything? Isn't it merely prudent to take precautions with an enemy in the system? You are after all in null. What relevance does them being AFK have to taking those steps?

Oh and the whole AFK ice mining argument has already been debunked.

It only arose due to a personal attack. It's just funny and ironic to highlight such things in those circumstances.