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Feel free to give your opinion about ISboxer

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Dave stark
#21 - 2013-06-21 12:41:50 UTC
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Louise Antwoord wrote:
Its a botting program and everyone using it are ******** lameasses. imo. Cool


no it isn't, and that makes you wrong.


Actually this is a "automation" software.

It is not a bot per se but it does "automate" the sequence of clicks required to run multiple accounts.

The discussion is similar to argument that Fully automatic rifle is a gun but a semiautomatic rifle is hunting accessory.

It is not a bot that is correct but sure as hell is in the same category ...

Legal or not that is up to CCP to decide but armies of these mining or even PVP sure will mess up the real game play.
In my opinion this should be considered cheating but that is me.


legality issues aside, if the fact that it "automates" a sequence of clicks makes people a "lameass" then every one who owns a half decent keyboard is also a "lameass".

if ISboxer actually gave you some kind of unfair advantage i'd be able to understand what people were getting so upset about, but it doesn't so... i honestly don't understand why their panties are all in a bunch.
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#22 - 2013-06-21 12:52:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Louise Antwoord wrote:
Its a botting program and everyone using it are ******** lameasses. imo. Cool


no it isn't, and that makes you wrong.


Actually this is a "automation" software.

It is not a bot per se but it does "automate" the sequence of clicks required to run multiple accounts.

The discussion is similar to argument that Fully automatic rifle is a gun but a semiautomatic rifle is hunting accessory.

It is not a bot that is correct but sure as hell is in the same category ...

Legal or not that is up to CCP to decide but armies of these mining or even PVP sure will mess up the real game play.
In my opinion this should be considered cheating but that is me.


legality issues aside, if the fact that it "automates" a sequence of clicks makes people a "lameass" then every one who owns a half decent keyboard is also a "lameass".

if ISboxer actually gave you some kind of unfair advantage i'd be able to understand what people were getting so upset about, but it doesn't so... i honestly don't understand why their panties are all in a bunch.


Personally I do not care that much about it but really the automation level we are talking about here is above a good gaming keyboard.

It can perform coordinated 5-6 characters synchronized attacks with the simplicity and effort of flying s single ship.
Same with mining or any other in game activity. Basically you can in theory run a whole wing of ships as easy as one only limitation is the hardware you are willing to invest. 2 3 10 20 even 50 accounts are not a problem to coordinate

As I have said I don't care that much but similar things are borderline to semi - botting.
And to be honest IF you think that 90 % of the people that use this are not gold sellers than you are naïve.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#23 - 2013-06-21 12:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: DelBoy Trades
Niko Takahashi wrote:
It can perform coordinated 5-6 characters synchronized attacks with the simplicity and effort of flying s single ship.
Same with mining or any other in game activity. Basically you can in theory run a whole wing of ships as easy as one only limitation is the hardware you are willing to invest. 2 3 10 20 even 50 accounts are not a problem to coordinate

As I have said I don't care that much but similar things are borderline to semi - botting.
And to be honest IF you think that 90 % of the people that use this are not gold sellers than you are naïve.

Have you ever used it? I don't need you to answer that question, I know you haven't by your assumptions. I can tell you this is in now way true, the slightest difference in overview spacings, window location, client lag and you've got half your fleet warping to the sun and half your fleet self-destructing. This is in no way an 'I-win' programme, I challenge anyone to do the 7 day free trial and not give up in frustration, no amount of synchronising settings will make up for that tiny bit of lag it takes to repeat the command from one client to the next, which seems to compound on itself the more clients you run. You may click on 'warp to' on your primary client, your final client being 1/10th of a second behind primary will be dozens of pixels away and you end up Jumping gate. Right click on your capacitor 'Enter starbase password' on primary client 'Initiate selfdestruct' on client 8. People shouldn't comment on this I-win programme until they actually try it and see how shoddy it is.

Edit: Realistically it's only application is in slow-action things, like hauling or mining, and tbh it's probably a waste of $ for that as you can do these things manually so bloody easily.

Damn nature, you scary!

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-06-21 13:03:33 UTC
Ellen Thrace wrote:
A small list of the arguments for and against ISboxer:


I'd rather see a small list of your arguments on whether your thoughts are special enough to justify a new thread on this, rather than being posted in the 3 or 4 currently active ones on the same subject.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#25 - 2013-06-21 13:08:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I'd rather see a small list of your arguments on whether your thoughts are special enough to justify a new thread on this, rather than being posted in the 3 or 4 currently active ones on the same subject.

And they're clearly not.

Damn nature, you scary!

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#26 - 2013-06-21 13:27:26 UTC
I don't see a problem with it and neither would CCP. The more one single person is willing to pay for (or otherwise maintain) multiple accounts, why would they wan't to deny this one person a means to efficiently control these accounts?

To me, regardless if the program relays a single keypress command to several other clients, a keypress was still required for it to facilitate the other client actions, and it will require a keypress for each additional action. A living human being is at the keyboard and actively playing. To me, that's not a bot.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Paladin Amarr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-06-21 14:54:34 UTC
Great post. I would like to add some info into this discussion.
Since my last post was closed and with no much information from ccp, I just read the policy rules and it says :

1- You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

> Since multiboxing is an third party software that changes the way the game is played, its against this rule.

2- You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

> Well, since it facilitate acquisition of anything etc, its against this rule.

3- You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.

> I didnt use this software, but I think it bypass the login, but its clear that it provide diferent way of playing, so its agains this rule.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#28 - 2013-06-21 14:58:22 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
Great post. I would like to add some info into this discussion.
Since my last post was closed and with no much information from ccp, I just read the policy rules and it says :

1- You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

> Since multiboxing is an third party software that changes the way the game is played, its against this rule.

2- You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

> Well, since it facilitate acquisition of anything etc, its against this rule.

3- You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.

> I didnt use this software, but I think it bypass the login, but its clear that it provide diferent way of playing, so its agains this rule.

Is this a troll? Or are you really this stupid?

Damn nature, you scary!

Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-21 14:59:30 UTC
On a different note: Fleets interfere with my gameplay and are an unfair advantage because I have no friends. Please ban fleets from Eve now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-06-21 15:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Paladin Amarr wrote:
Since multiboxing is an third party software that changes the way the game is played, its against this rule.
…except that it doesn't change the way the game is played and that the devs and GMs have explicitly said that it breaks no rules.

Quote:
Well, since it facilitate acquisition of anything etc, its against this rule.
…except that it doesn't facilitates the acquisition of anything at an accelerated rate, so it's not against that rule either.

Quote:
I didnt use this software
…so you can't determine what rules it does or does not break. Oh, and it does not break that rule.

So in other words, you've decided to continue the OP's trend of being wrong about everything? Is that really a good track to pursue?
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-21 15:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
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Feel free to give your opinion about ISboxer




It's bad plain and simple.

You can't control customers behaviors in their natural environment, any multiboxing program is the BOTs best friend for clear reasons, denying this simple fact is making a fool of yourself, mostly in a game promoting all of the worst behaviors you could ever cross on your real life.

Wouldn't or isn't naif to think just because it's Eve suddenly this is good?

At which degree or % bots are not harmful or require attention?

At which point is easy to maintain argumentations about x or whatever program is not an automation of taks when you can't obviously manually control over a couple accounts if in the first place it's the the regroup of those commands in a single button that aloud you to do it like a macro or a tiers program doing for you?

It's a very bad discussion from the moment someone considers some program action is the same thing than a guy that can run several accounts with bamboo sticks over 20 keyboards and scrapped mice together.

There's no way in hell the bamboo sticks guy does the very same thing another does with a tiers program, no way close and no need to theorize or blahblah, as per usual endlessly for the same result, where the louder mouth wins.

It's just my opinion, no need to counter argue about I will not even care to answer because my opinion on this matter is pretty clear.

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Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#32 - 2013-06-21 15:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Chicken
I've always felt that the advantage of running multiple clients was mitigated by the practicality of operating them all, now that doesn't seem to be the case, and I'm seeing more and more of these 10+ account mining fleets lumbering around in unison, vacuuming belts out from under the noobs in their retrievers. I'm not a bleeding heart for noobs or anything, but it's starting to seem a little ridiculous.

The legions of carebears that come to Isboxer's defense on the forums are testimony to how badly it needs to be banned.


Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com
Paladin Amarr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-06-21 15:12:23 UTC
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Is this a troll? Or are you really this stupid?


I think peaple like you that use alts to reply and troll in forum topics just to protect your cheating way to play also should get banned.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#34 - 2013-06-21 15:17:15 UTC
I have no opinion about ISBoxer.

But I thank you, OP, for allowing me to express my lack of opinion here.
veera Haklar
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-06-21 15:26:05 UTC
Ellen Thrace wrote:
A small list of the arguments for and against ISboxer:


"ISboxer bring more money to CCP"
No, ISboxers can make so much ingame ISK that they dont need to use real cash to pay their accounts.

"But someone spend real cash on the PLEX they buy with ingame ISK"
Yes, but usually some other player, normally is not the ISboxer, he doesnt need to.

:


Great, another thread on this.

Your entire argument was over when you said those two points, you clearly have no clue how the plex system works. And based on your wrong assumptions you've drawn up a major flaw in your arguement, Well done.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2013-06-21 15:30:21 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
I think peaple like you that use alts to reply and troll in forum topics just to protect your cheating way to play also should get banned.
…and they're cheating, how, exactly?
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#37 - 2013-06-21 16:16:31 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
Go away, no one cares. Posting in a locked thread.

Quote:
"ISboxer bring more money to CCP"
No, ISboxers can make so much ingame ISK that they dont need to use real cash to pay their accounts.

You clearly have NO idea how the PLEX system works, you are an utter moron.

Edit: I was going to reply to all your other points, but they're all absolute rubbish, do you realise how many PLEX it costs to set up an ISBoxer army? And it's almost unheard of to use ISBoxer in PVP...



isboxer gets used a lot actually in pvp. its used to gank freighters with 10-15 catalysts all working in perfect synchronization, much more effective than having having a whole team of gankers.

the player places a scam courier contract with a large amount of collateral, waits with his fleet of catalysts. does "the deed' with his fleet with just a few clicks of a mouse.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#38 - 2013-06-21 16:22:15 UTC
Cheater beater cheater theater cheater leeter
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-06-21 16:36:02 UTC
I thought it'd been a while since the last ill-informed, badly written and whiny thread was posted in GD about ISBoxer.

Just to confirm a few points:

It's not a bot.

PLEX isn't spawned out of thin air.

The EVE client isn't modified or hacked.

It essentially allows easier management of multiple characters. If you've a problem with this then by your logic CCP need to deem using more than 1 screen as a violation of the EULA....

Oh and if some player has the ability to run 6 PCs and manage 50 accounts then just accept that some people are superior human beings...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#40 - 2013-06-21 16:43:21 UTC
Its time to ban people, not for using ISBoxer, but for making ISBoxer threads.


You want my opinion on ISBoxer? Its botting. I dont give one half of a **** if technically its not because there is a person behind it pressing 1 button that is replicated to 40 clicks, Thats ******* botting, and you ******* know it.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

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