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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.

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Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#41 - 2013-06-21 10:16:47 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
5 days of training is literally nothing.

Or you know, literally 5 days. Figuratively 0 maybe.

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-06-21 11:13:32 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
5 days of training is literally nothing.

No, 5 days of training is literally 5 days of training.


The first rule of tautology club is the first rule.

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Anariana
Gloriphicus
#43 - 2013-06-21 11:22:02 UTC
new players should clearly be able to do, fly and use anything that vets can... Roll
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#44 - 2013-06-21 11:23:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



I will state the obvious to you and point out being able to field full set of probes also required training one particular skill to V. But here we are in post Odyssey New Eden where everybody can launch 8 probes. And all at one launcher cycle. And in one of two predefined configs.

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Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-06-21 11:26:20 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.

So it's so hard for you to train DRONES to V. Oh you poor little baby...Cry do you consider other games? Space Invaders, maybe?

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-06-21 11:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bl4ck Ph03n1x
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



There is a slight unbalance, though. A missile, laser, hybrid or projectile pilot can field all his guns at pew pew lvl1
A gallentean/ammar drone pilot need an additional skill to 5 to do the same.

But then we all know drones are broken for the last decade. Maybe, one day, a drone expansion...?

Don't feed the trolls.
Zag'mar Jurkar
Legion Du Lys
#47 - 2013-06-21 11:57:28 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Invisusira wrote:
5 days of training is literally nothing.

Or you know, literally 5 days. Figuratively 0 maybe.


Maybe we could say "relatively 5 days is nothing"
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-06-21 12:02:26 UTC
This is one of the best ballanced skills imo.

3 drones in a matter of hours, 4 next time you log in then a few days on intense excitement for your 5th

we all did it.

suck it up.

damned newbs want everything on day one, go back to your grinding for XP games if you cant handle a little patience

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vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#49 - 2013-06-21 12:12:59 UTC
Read the first letter of each line except for the first. Also - posting in a bad thread

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#50 - 2013-06-21 12:13:40 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Posting in a stealth "bitching about scan skill changes" thread.


quoting for great justice.

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stoicfaux
#51 - 2013-06-21 12:17:20 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



You don't understand what the OP is stating. Here's a hint: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/schwarzenegger/

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Dave Stark
#52 - 2013-06-21 12:22:53 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



You don't understand what the OP is stating. Here's a hint: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/schwarzenegger/



that's actually quite brilliant, i like it.
Donnero
Arliuhtan
#53 - 2013-06-21 12:32:46 UTC
Hmm can we get Drones VI ?
Dave Stark
#54 - 2013-06-21 12:34:56 UTC
Donnero wrote:
Hmm can we get Drones VI ?


it's called "drone interfacing I" i think.
stoicfaux
#55 - 2013-06-21 12:35:00 UTC
Donnero wrote:
Hmm can we get Drones VI ?

Now there's an idea!
One that should be presented to the CSM.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-21 12:41:01 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
This is an emotional crisis for many new players.


You're gonna have a nervous breakdown when you get to the 72 day skills
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-06-21 12:42:08 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



The question you gotta ask yourself is "is this a good design choice, how does this make the game better, especially since this mostly affects new players, and especially since we've just introduced a T1 frigate that requires 5 drones to function?" How is it a good thing, for a new player, to be told, after purchasing a Tristan, "sorry, but you have to wait a week before you can actually use this". Will this help the player stay in the game, or will it make him say "a week? don't think so, bye!", especially since most people trying EVE will be doing so on a 14-day trial. Drones V is one of those skills that does lots of harm to new players, and has no measurable benefit, aside from being there for conformity's sake. I trained this skill many years ago, and I STILL remember the annoyance of having had to do so.

Also, "it's been this way for a decade, so there's no need to change it" is not necessarily right. Perhaps it's time to update certain things. This is one of the skills eminently ready for updating. Along with drones in general, which have been ridiculously broken for a very, very long time.
Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-06-21 12:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeffrey Asher
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jeffrey Asher wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
And yeah, this thread isn't actually about drones at all.

The subtleties are going over my head due to my newness. Could you please enlighten me as to the hidden, or perhaps not so hidden to those who know, meaning?

regards,

I'm awful with sarcasm.
I think you're being sarcastic, so chances are you actually aren't. But I'll take that chance.


I wasn't, sorry about that. My post was just too long-winded, and I could see how you could read that as sarcasm.

I was just wondering whether there was an in-joke that I had not worked out yet in the original post.

cheers

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-06-21 12:50:17 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



I've always said, CCP should just allow people to buy Skill Points with PLEX.

That way, "low SP players" are forced to spend 100's of Dollars/Euros/Pesos to jump right in with absolutely NO CLUE of what they are doing.

Pure winsauce for everyone.

Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Dave Stark
#60 - 2013-06-21 12:52:37 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



I've always said, CCP should just allow people to buy Skill Points with PLEX.

That way, "low SP players" are forced to spend 100's of Dollars/Euros/Pesos to jump right in with absolutely NO CLUE of what they are doing.

Pure winsauce for everyone.

Roll


i'd actually buy plex to do this... especially for all those prerequisites that aren't ideal to train on my current remap. (looking at you propulsion jamming!)