EVE General Discussion

Remove cloaked ships from local.

Also, you should never feel safe in eve.

But then we have this:



In what respect does psyops warfare disrupt your gameplay? Aside from the ways that you allow it to effect you.

That's the thing. They do that hoping for the reaction you seem willing to give them. Adjut your gameplay a bit, and they are pretty well harmless. Numerous people have told you how to deal with it.

But you don't want to deal with it. You would like CCP to simply wave the magic wand and make them go away, that's why you don't listen.

You would rather that CCP adjust the behavior of tons of other people, than change anything about how you play. That is called selfishness. So I think it would be fair to make the analogy that when given a sandbox, you chose to stick your head in the sand.

You're calling it "psyops warfare" in an effort to give it legitimacy, when really what you mean is "trolling local".

James Amril-Kesh and Jenn aSide have explained why removing local in existing space 0.0 is not a good idea, these reasons have been explained on multiple other threads.

Others have suggested that the better way would be to create a new super region which is connected to a gate three jumps into low low sec, this leads to a region which is too far for cyno jumps to reach it. The region will have no local and no details supplied to the API and no ingame map details. Then see how that develops, because you cannot bring existing fleets in it means people will need to bring in or gather materials in that region to make capital fleets, furthermore people cannot use existing capital fleets to dominate. Cyno's of course work within that region and then you can have this whole region to play with without local, at which point we will see no more of these stupid threads

OK, let me put it another way: If you were designing a brand new game, call it Evelyn 2020 and you introduced a cloaking mechanism, would you or would you not also introduce a counter mechanism? If you say you wouldn't, then I would simply ask you to not tie yourself in knots arguing your point just for the e-peen; I won't think any less of you.

The cloaking system in EVE already has many counters. They're just not big obvious counters like a shiny red button that uncloaks an enemy ship, they're more subtle than that.

For a start, the ships that fit cloaks inherently have weaker tanks, and lower dps. That's an inbuilt counter to the benefits provided by cloaking.

Secondly, as cloaking does not hide you entirely from the enemy (thanks to local) then that too acts as a counter to benefits/gains you get from cloaking.

You need to acknowledge the counters and tradeoffs already inherent in the system rather than ignoring them and insulting me, friend. It'll give your arguments more credibility and help make for more constructive, thought provoking discussion on the subject.

Interesting that you give this a an example, because I do believe a counter to cloaking was developed called a Quantum Beacon.

... Unless you're an AFK cloaker, in which case you should be allowed to hunt and pick your targets under the complete and 100% safety of your cloak.

"Brilliant Idea" people tend to let their egos get tied up with their opinions. Conceding that (after all the evidence is in) an Idea they came up with or championed is stupid is (to them) literally the same thing as saying "I'm a dumb ass". And really, how many people would do that lol..

I try to keep that in mind. You'll never get people like this to concede no matter how much evidence or testable logic you throw at them. What I do is look at it as if it were a court case, with the public (including CCP) being the Jury.

As to your original question though. The answer to why not just take the advice? That's simple, it involves effort, people don't like effort, that want easy solutions. Getting CCP to change things to make their lives easier seems a better plan (to them) than doing anything else. Basically they are excuse makers.

He may not have mentioned a direct counter. But just because you don't like the current direct counters, doesn't mean they don't exist.