Crime & Punishment

i fit a MJD to my machariel. i usually have a cloak on etc etc.

If you're flying a faction BS in null and taking no precautions, that's wrong to begin with. Null isn't high sec. if you die in null in a faction fitted pve BS, it's partly your own fault.

Several ways to deal with cloaky ships that you think are active. Fit a point on your ship and be in fleet with friends on standby, or pve together. If you think they might hot-drop fit a cyno as well and have people who love to counter-drop on standy.

Barring that just stay aligned, the instant something uncloaks he has to target you to point you, and the time it takes for system lag and all that jazz to get a lock is usually longer than the time it takes you to instawarp to something you were already lined up on. I have in my personal locations a folder named "Safe", in it are several. I always align to the first one when I land on a mission site or belt and its a simple matter to right click, mouse over safe, then t safe 1 and be gone. Alternatively if I am in a system with a POS I always align to that. Never to station, force of habit.

When we used to hunt carebears we'd often send an interdictor to station and bubble it, catching people trying to dock as soon as a red showed up in local. So never go for station.

Alternatively carry a flight of ecm drones. If you do get locked down deploy and sick them on the target and when the lock breaks run, its worth the investment and also if you're fast, you can click return to drone bay and you may save your drones to boot.

^ These are things I do regardless if there is a cloaked player in system. NEVER NOT PREPARED.

As an afterthought, its like wearing a seatbelt, you're not always going to get into an accident, but it's good to get into the habit, then the instant something bad happens you're ready to deal with it and not fly through a window or fly off the handle.

Not completely. You can't stop the people who do it for the lulz, but generally speaking I don't believe most people are going to waste more than 30 minutes hunting some carebear in a cheap fit drake or raven. You have to remember if he plans to bring down a battlecruiser or higher as a cloaked ship, he's going to need friends, and they're not going ot want to be sitting in space waiting for a guy to get point on a drake for over 30 minutes or longer. That kind of stuff is reserved for carriers and juicy targets. PvP players aren't usually worried about the isk war when roaming, they just want the killmail, but small potatoes combined with losses makes their stats look bad, and that does bother some.

This is a wonderful denial-of-space service. I approve.

I think both AFK cloaking and the whining about the same are symptoms of a serious problem in null. AFK cloaking is a response to local being way too powerful and the whines are due to the same.

One of the reasons people AFK cloak is to limit the overpoweredness of local - to sneak up on an alert risk averse person in null is impossible without leaving yourself or alt permanantly in system and hope they will assume you are AFK and will resume normal activities.

Another reason is to exploit the over reliance of local chat by null seccers, leaving yourself or an alt in system to psychologically harass the risk averse by denying them their usual 99.9% safety provided by local. The other .01% being occasional awoxing.

I think denying there is a problem is just burying your head in the sand.

The problem is people are risk averse and local provides them with complete safety.

Yes apart from blue on blue its possible to remain in null and never be in any danger from other players. Its not possible to jump in and point someone before they can log or be in pos when local provides instant accurate info of your presence before you appear in system.

It was a bit better before CCP added those stupid alliance tickers. The occasional stupid would not check but now you know nuetral instantly.

Fixed your post for you.

And I only say that because, with the way null is set up now, with multiple intel channels covering everything for lightyears (hell I get intel from the other side of the galaxy in some cases), if you die to non-consensual PVP in nullsec at all, it's because you made a mistake of some kind - looking back at all of my non-consensual deaths in recent months, I can point out exactly the mistake I made, and what I should have done differently.

AFK cloaking is a tactic used by people that have realized that some players can be manipulated by fear (of loss and of the unknown). I see local as the medium by with the tactic is applied, not it's cause.

People cloak and go afk in wormholes all the time (sometimes the WHs own residents do it because they don't want new people who come in to their WH to see what they are flying on D-scan while they are away. I ninja rat and afk cloak all the time in completely empty systems (so i can go take care of real life business) rather than relogging.

And that's some of what I think you are missing, you are focusing on one aspect of cloaking and going afk (the part that seems to be intended to disrupt others) while ignoring the rest. Because you're ignoring the rest you aren't thinking clearly about it's usefulness and existence.



This is not completely true.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15683454

This wasn't an afk cloaker or anything, these guys came in while i was in an anomalie and i got pointed by 3 npcs at once (damn the luck), killed 2 npcs before the cynabal landed, hand another in hull, almost killed a cynabal before i went down to. i got complacent and didn't fit to survive so i died (GF you HUN MFrs ). I also died once a few years ago when stuck on an asteroid, and i've seen people bump off station and die.

Even an alert pilot can die in null sec under the right circumstances.

But even if an alert piolto could NEVER be caught in null, what is the alternative? PVE players left null when the isk/hr from anoms took a slight dip because of a nerf, you think the same PVE pilots (except the crazy ones like me) would stay with no loca (and fewer pve guys in null means less kills like mine I lined above)l? If you believe that, then explain why wormholes have the lowest share of EVE's population despite being THE most profitable place ever.

I'm serious, I made like a bil a day in a wormhole with a small WH corp, and that was in a c4.

You have to take human being into consideration when you form and support ideas about game design. i don't think you are doing that.

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Those nullbears that let themsevles be affected by it, deserve it.



I'm sorry it's such a problem for you. It is not for me.

If they are AFK, how are they dangerous?