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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#21 - 2013-06-21 00:20:02 UTC
In the opening post it was asked 'Why do you play EVE?'. This is something a lot of new players struggle with at some point.

Personally about five months in I hit a point where I burned out. My corp at the time moved to low and was constantly under war dec. I didn't know how to live in low and at the time I hated pvp. It seemed I had no real options. I left the game for three months. Came back and discovered I was able to start running incursions. The influx of isk made me more confidant about losing assets, but I still really wasn't very hooked.

Then I fell into RP in EVE. Been absolutely hooked and I am now at a year and a half. Got a great corp, we fly around and give no fucks while having a fun time. Being involved with the live events and other bits that help shape the story of this game make me feel like I have a hand in the storytelling. I plan on being here for a long time.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#22 - 2013-06-21 02:04:48 UTC
I totally get your dilemma, man. It took me 6 trial attempts before I finally took off. First trial was biomassed in rage, after not taking the time to stop and *Right click...Show Info* and blindly jumping into lowsec after just beginning the SOE arc. Lost my brand new, shiny (to me at the time, at least) Cormorant. Several trials after that ended with me just having complete apathy, and not really giving a damn. Then I finally get here, and I begin to see things a little differently. I grew a little more patient, day-to-day. I started chewing rocks. Trained base skills toward an indy career. So I asked in Rookie Help.....What now? They, of course, told me to join a corp. So I join an indy corp. Then the events transpired I mentioned earlier in the thread. I learned to fly combat ships.....quickly I might add, lol. Then I started missioning. Then it turned into weekend roams. Then I got caught up in the incursion scene, when it was really popping.

Then we jump to now. Granted, I have already taken my first EVE break, for about 6 months, just because of complete login apathy. I had trained pretty much solidly into Minnie combat, and even though they are fun to fly, I grew bored. That and at the time, I was in the CFC, and the Tribute War being my first introduction to the sov grind, and needless to say....that was not the most pleasant thing to do. In fact, even as a grunt, it wore me down. I cannot imagine how FC's and alliance leaders feel about it. But then I came back. I am now rounding out Caldari subcaps, have an Exhumer, and am firmly on my way to starting the T2 line of Gallente subcaps. I can explore. I can mission. I can pvp (though I am not tgreat, there is no thrill quite like EVE pvp.) I can incursion. I can mine. I can go WH daytripping. Point is, the options open up when you keep with it...like any game.

If your biggest complaint is skill training times, there are +3, +4, and +5 implants that can greatly reduced some of the earlier levels of skills, opening up things a little quicker. Then there is also neural remapping, which can be even more of a training time boost for you.

EVE is a special place, bro. And I hope you can overcome the initial barrier, because there is so much to see and do. There is no game quite like it, there is no community quite like the one that inhabits this game, and it would be cool if you find it.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-06-21 02:41:48 UTC
I stay in Eve because skill training is addictive.
Zircon Dasher
#24 - 2013-06-21 02:52:52 UTC
If you think that the time sink necessary to do what you want to do is too much you are perfectly free to pay someone else to do it for you.

1)Purchase game time with RL money.
2)Sell game time for ISK.
3)Use ISK to buy a character.
4)?????
5)Play EVE the way you want to.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-21 03:03:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorgoth24
EVE is for people who can respect patience. ALL professions are easy to get into and easy to have fun in, but maximizing isk/hour is something you do and should spend your career doing. The lack of powerleveling is something you come to love, and after a while it's hard to imagine anything else.

If you stick around, EVE will grow on you. If you don't, that's the beauty of it. EVE isn't for everyone, and I think that's a good thing

EDIT: Retracted grammar jokes as OP is foreign (missed that reading). Rest of it stands. Quit, don't whine on the forums about why you're quitting
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2013-06-21 03:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Zircon Dasher wrote:
If you think that the time sink necessary to do what you want to do is too much you are perfectly free to pay someone else to do it for you.

1)Purchase game time with RL money.
2)Sell game time for ISK.
3)Use ISK to buy a character.
4)?????
5)Play EVE the way you want to.


The interesting thing about this is, the cost effectiveness of it.

To most, it is a prohibitive expense.

That is, until you think about the fact that it's basically just paying your sub fee for a long period of time up front, and getting all your skills trained instantly for a nominal fee.

Char buying is quite the bargain.

Quote:
I read your post for the lulz. I thought you had to be 8 until i read you'd been playing games for 11 years. I've seen people speak better English using google translate.


Entirely possible he was using Translate. He mentioned at the end that he is not a native English speaker. Given his grammatical structure, I suspect Russian. Way to be a ****.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#27 - 2013-06-21 03:39:54 UTC
Having read over your posts i see one problem.

You are playing EVE like its a solo game. Sorry, i might be wrong and you have some friends you play with, but you keep referring to what skills and ships YOU need in a way that makes it sound like you are on your own.
Considering your previous experience in online games im guessing games like WOW is one of them. In WOW its easy, you grind quests, join the dungeon finder (think thats what is called, been so long) and level up to 85 or whatever it is now and THEN you find a guild.

EVE does not work like that, and one of the main problems new players coming from other online games have is that they keep thinking that EVE works the same (in more then one aspect).

It is not a solo game. Sure some find enjoyment in being "solo", but most find that they want and need the social interaction.
But in the long run, things are easier if your not alone. Say that you do find that WH and you want to go in there and either hunt down the locals or blow up some sleepers but you dont have the skills/ship to do it solo. Get your friends/corp members to come and help you. Make a group event out of it.
Want to go into low sec and blow stuff up or just explore? Same thing, get your friends/corp members to go with you.

This way you will find that you dont "need" more skills or a more powerful ship then you already have because your not on your own. Your the person that found the WH, your the person in that t1 frig that can tackle whatever your group find, and your the one who gets points for creating group content and getting people involved.
Sure you might be the first one to get blown up, but then you can still laugh about the loss and cheer for your friends/corp members because they might have managed to blow up the person who killed you, thanks to the fact that you prevented him from leaving buying them those extra few seconds they needed.

So, find your self a group of players to fly with, get connections, and if you happen to join a corp and it does not work out, leave and find another one. Soon enough you will find that you feel secure enough in your own skills and experience that you wont be so..dependent on others to help you do the things you want to do, but even at that point the social aspect can make what you find fun even better Smile
Zircon Dasher
#28 - 2013-06-21 04:30:05 UTC
Everything is better with the good ship friendship.

Unless its other groups during PVP and you lost.

Then it is "WHY CCP MAKE EVERYTHING ENCOURAGE BLOB?!"

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-21 05:07:26 UTC
Get into trading (initially supplemented by other activities to build capital), get rich and buy a nice character.

ISK is the only way to "powerlevel" in EVE.

.

Zeus Zed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-21 05:42:11 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
U dont have to be a god in the game right away. Getting most skills to lvl3 takes almost no time and always u to experiment with any career u want.

In wow if u want to be a lvl60 paladin with best gear it takes years. In this game if u want to fly a carrier or titan ot takes years.

In wow if u want to have a lvl60 character of every class it will take many years. In eve if u want to max all the skills it takes 20 years. The game has been out for 10 years and their always adding skills. So u cant have one character that can do everything with max skills.

So focus on a specialty and realize it will take u a few years to max out. And u can pick up random lvl3 skills in many careers in addition to that without much additional time. It takes about 1 year to fly a battleship then u can kill rats(npc enemies) and make 70-100 mil/hr

With 2 months of training u can fly a retriever and make 20mil/hr mining

Besides that. U can build stations, build on planets and fly a deathstar. Be a trader/manufacturing tycoon and a ruthless pirate/mercenary. Explore wormholes and be part of massive space battles. Then there are the occasional corporation sabotage that make the real news. All ur losses are permanent. Everyone is allowed to scam and abuse ur mewbness so its a dangerous world out there how awesome is that :)

Theres so much to do. If u cant find a way to enjoy urself without ccp holding ur hand and telling u what to do its a problem with ur imagination/expectations/goals

For now set ur goals low. Earn ur small isk. Fight some pvp in a cheap frigate and learn the game



The thing is though, in games like wow, the "skilling" or "leveling up" process is part of the experience one pays for. It involves running quests, killing NPC's and so forth. In Eve, a low sp toon has very few options that will actually offer a fun gameplay experience. Maybe the only thing a newbie can have fun with is PvP, but that is not straightforward either.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#31 - 2013-06-22 14:11:11 UTC
Zeus Zed wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
U dont have to be a god in the game right away. Getting most skills to lvl3 takes almost no time and always u to experiment with any career u want.

In wow if u want to be a lvl60 paladin with best gear it takes years. In this game if u want to fly a carrier or titan ot takes years.

In wow if u want to have a lvl60 character of every class it will take many years. In eve if u want to max all the skills it takes 20 years. The game has been out for 10 years and their always adding skills. So u cant have one character that can do everything with max skills.

So focus on a specialty and realize it will take u a few years to max out. And u can pick up random lvl3 skills in many careers in addition to that without much additional time. It takes about 1 year to fly a battleship then u can kill rats(npc enemies) and make 70-100 mil/hr

With 2 months of training u can fly a retriever and make 20mil/hr mining

Besides that. U can build stations, build on planets and fly a deathstar. Be a trader/manufacturing tycoon and a ruthless pirate/mercenary. Explore wormholes and be part of massive space battles. Then there are the occasional corporation sabotage that make the real news. All ur losses are permanent. Everyone is allowed to scam and abuse ur mewbness so its a dangerous world out there how awesome is that :)

Theres so much to do. If u cant find a way to enjoy urself without ccp holding ur hand and telling u what to do its a problem with ur imagination/expectations/goals

For now set ur goals low. Earn ur small isk. Fight some pvp in a cheap frigate and learn the game



The thing is though, in games like wow, the "skilling" or "leveling up" process is part of the experience one pays for. It involves running quests, killing NPC's and so forth. In Eve, a low sp toon has very few options that will actually offer a fun gameplay experience. Maybe the only thing a newbie can have fun with is PvP, but that is not straightforward either.


Not really.

That is what YOU think.

You forget that EVE is what YOU make of it....

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-06-22 14:22:30 UTC
See sig.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#33 - 2013-06-22 14:44:26 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
1. SOE Epic Arc
2. Every career agent for each empire
3. Give station trading a shot
4. Mine in a venture
5. go lose your Ship fighting in low sec pvp for fun
6. Join a corporation
7. Be apart of an alliance
8. use station trading to afford a new character with more SP on the bazaar
9. Do the tutorials!
10. If all else fails leave this game, is not for you...

1. One day, nothing spectacular.
2. Broken atm.
3. Newbie has zero capital, station trading with more than 50k/hour profit requires a lot more.
4. Hisec mining died in odyssey, you would've known that if you ever mined.
5. Loss guaranteed, fun is... well, some people like pain, i guess.
6. Why? To get involved in wardec bailing fun?
7. Why? To get involved in wardec bailing fun?
8. In a few years of it, maybe. Not before 2016.
9. 30 minutes and you're done. And it wasn't even fun.
10. The point is, there is absolutely nothing a new player can do in Eve, and he will never be able to catch up to all that SP you have there, so there will never be a place for him. Eve has no PvP for newbies either, because more SP always wins, shutting them down from that path as well, and every other path as far as it requires SP or capital. The only thing newbie has is actual time playing, and Eve has absolutely no way to capitalize on that without SP or capital, rendering itself boring and hopeless for anyone registered later than 2008.

That is a problem, not a game being "for you" or "not for you".

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-22 14:45:05 UTC
join carebears united

I disagree

Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 - 2013-06-22 15:06:05 UTC
Because in EVE, I can trail back the exact events that lead to an acquaintance of mine to become leader of one of the largest alliances in EVE.
Dat butterfly effect.
millhous
#36 - 2013-06-27 07:11:55 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

10. The point is, there is absolutely nothing a new player can do in Eve, and he will never be able to catch up to all that SP you have there, so there will never be a place for him. Eve has no PvP for newbies either, because more SP always wins, shutting them down from that path as well, and every other path as far as it requires SP or capital. The only thing newbie has is actual time playing, and Eve has absolutely no way to capitalize on that without SP or capital, rendering itself boring and hopeless for anyone registered later than 2008.



Couldn't have said it better.
Signal11th
#37 - 2013-06-27 11:08:25 UTC
Don't forget "You can spend 30 days training to do 5% something better/faster but by the time a patch has come out to nerf it 6%.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-06-27 11:55:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
See sig.


There is very little point in fighting in EVE for anything because it has zero value in real life.
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