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Year old player with no Battleclinic-Killboard record whatsoever?

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Borg Probe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-20 23:36:34 UTC
Hey,

There's a player that joined a friend's corp recently who's been in eve for over a year and yet Battleclinic-Killboard has no record of the person even existing... Any thoughts? I have reason to suspect the persons motives for joining but can't find a single trace of his name or anything close to it on Battleclinic. Anyone know why this could be?

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-06-20 23:38:32 UTC
Because he's been carebearing and has never lost a ship or killed anyone else?

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Borg Probe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-20 23:39:47 UTC
Is that the only reason? If so, then perhaps nothing to worry about. I just haven't ever seen anyone never appear on Battleclinic before, let alone one with an old account. Seemed suspicious to me, like they had a griefing history, and somehow managed to find a way to conceal it
Borg Probe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-20 23:47:51 UTC
Pretty suspect though right? Even a dedicated carebear dies. Only someone that's never left station could pull that off. Seems exceptionally odd.
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-20 23:49:52 UTC
It's not that hard if you're alert and stay in hi-sec mostly, which a lot of mission runner types do.
Rengerel en Distel
#6 - 2013-06-20 23:50:03 UTC
Perhaps because he doesn't post to battleclinic?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#7 - 2013-06-20 23:54:09 UTC
Borg Probe wrote:
Pretty suspect though right? Even a dedicated carebear dies. Only someone that's never left station could pull that off. Seems exceptionally odd.

What is so suspect about it. The guy probably was in high sec and so never exposed to any pvp. If you are really that concerned then why not ask him about it, and if that doesn't satisfy you then ask for his API so you can back up the story he is giving.
Bloody Wench
#8 - 2013-06-20 23:57:48 UTC
I have 8 alts that have never lost a ship in probably 3 years, I don't know how old they are.

I think this one has only lost a couple.

Unless someone else posted them to BC there should be no record of me either.

I have a 65m SP indy alt will no losses/kills.

BC has this character in an NPC corp with 1 reaper lost, so it's not like it's anything close to accurate.

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GreenSeed
#9 - 2013-06-20 23:58:32 UTC
if you are really that paranoid check evewho to see posts, if any. check previous corps, look at a listing of current and old members, see if they share any similarities on creation date, join/departure date on corps, faction, bloodline, NPC starting corp, even background choices can be tells.

add all members that look suspicious to the watchlist and see if any of them go online when he goes offline, or if they come online at the same time.

also look at killmails of the suspected characters, specially if they have 0.0 sec rating, those are boosting alts, they should have a few deaths on BCs filled with Command processors. look at the places where they died, and guess how.

usually current awoxers used to have highsec warrioring wardec corps, you can easily spot old disbanded one man corps that were active on griefplay by looking at the killmails, you'll spot one alt that always dies on a scout, usually on a cloaky. another alt that has a lot of deaths in hsec after crimewatch 2.0 while flying logistics. if he was part of one such corp or an alt of one of those players, and you cant find a sale thread on the forums, then he is still on the hands of the original owner and hes now using them to join random corps.

and if after all this you are still paranoid, don't invite him...

or create a secondary holding corp for rookies and screen them there where they cant awox? don't fly alone in a pimp ship? have a plan already in place between your current members as to what to do when some dude goes on a safari?

you can even hire some merc to join your corp and do it just to test your security/corp roles/contingency plans... just make sure to remove anything valuable while they are conducting the... ahem... "Audit" Pirate
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-06-20 23:59:21 UTC
Only one way to know for sure.

Better give him roles.
Bloody Wench
#11 - 2013-06-20 23:59:30 UTC
Borg Probe wrote:
Pretty suspect though right? Even a dedicated carebear dies. Only someone that's never left station could pull that off. Seems exceptionally odd.



Why would a dedicated carebear die to anything? Rediculous statement.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack

stoicfaux
#12 - 2013-06-21 00:00:26 UTC
Or it's an alt. Do all three of your account's chars show up on battleclinic? Or the character was bought and it's a farm raised alt (i.e. all training, not actually used before being sold.)


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#13 - 2013-06-21 00:01:31 UTC
Borg Probe wrote:
Pretty suspect though right? Even a dedicated carebear dies. Only someone that's never left station could pull that off. Seems exceptionally odd.


I have many characters right now who've never been on battleclinic. I've even gotten them killed, and they still aren't there.

And sometimes you can make battleclinic do things that help it forget killmails. Just saying Evil

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2013-06-21 00:15:47 UTC
What a coincidence....I have about 12 alts that are over a year old and dont show up on battleclinic....

Come to think of it....I think 1 of them just recently joined a corp....

Im sure its fine.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#15 - 2013-06-21 00:18:13 UTC
Borg Probe wrote:
Pretty suspect though right? Even a dedicated carebear dies. Only someone that's never left station could pull that off. Seems exceptionally odd.


Lots of carebears die you're right. However, the very cautious and/or the very smart can stay alive. Maybe this guy has just never hung out low, never wandered into a wormhole, never mined afk in an untanked Ret, never autopiloted an Industrial with 500mil of cargo 20 jumps, or any of the other myriad things that can get carebears killed.

I wouldn't use a lack of kills/deaths to arouse suspicion. He could be clever enough to be an asset to your Corp.


"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE

space submarine
#16 - 2013-06-21 00:19:00 UTC
Borg Probe wrote:
Is that the only reason? If so, then perhaps nothing to worry about. I just haven't ever seen anyone never appear on Battleclinic before, let alone one with an old account. Seemed suspicious to me, like they had a griefing history, and somehow managed to find a way to conceal it


It's possible, when you go to hide your AWOK kills, it hides all of them. So there's no way to just show legitimate kills or loses but hide the bad ones.

So there's a chance he may kill your friend.

You're right to worry OP. I think you have a moral ibligation to bring this up to him next time you get the chance before something bad happens.
Borg Probe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-21 00:19:04 UTC
Extremely informative replies, thank you everyone. As for paranoia, yeah, EVE can do that to you. As for the recommendation to look at his previous corp, similar characters etc, that's excellent advise. I'll do some screening, and if I catch anything concrete, I'll have something, otherwise I'll just relax a little.

o7

Thanks everyone the great tips.
GreenSeed
#18 - 2013-06-21 00:23:02 UTC
i forgot to mention, if you ask for api, with at least wallet/contracts/kills/skills (which btw you should have already) you can see a lot.

kills in the API kill log cant be tampered with, and contracts/wallet activity will help you reveal alts.

skills will also let you tell a newbie, or an old pilot who experienced "being a newbie", by looking for crap skills, unfocused training, etc. if you see hes 90% leadership then some racial frigates/guns... then he is someones alt.
Borg Probe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-21 00:28:27 UTC
And you GreenSeed have been the most informative of all. Many thanks.

07
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#20 - 2013-06-21 00:28:28 UTC
I don't show up on Battleclinic and I've been playing longer than a year P
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