Science & Industry

It's one thing to make players go through a month of addtional training that was added to the top industrial vessels like freighters and the rorqual, but then ice fields are removed and replaced with easily depletable ice fields that can be warped to at any time.
That isen't really my concern seeing as how ice and afk mining was OP anyway, but the ore.

Making Ore sites warpable, and pop up on usual scanners with no probing neccesary was a rediculous idea that I cannot believe CCP actually inplemented. Now, in nullsec, lowsec, and wormhole space, at any given moment someone can warp directly to a gravimetric site (even if they are a 2 day noob) with no scanning neccesary, and begin to open fire.

Normally miners in those areas would have d-scan going constantly and at least have some warning/defense against prowling wankers and pirates, why on earth was this done?

People that cried, whined, sobbed, and curled up into the fetal possition to complain about no mining ops being available in low/null/WH space don't seem to be saying a word. They upped the amount of minerals those ores yield but then took away all oppertunities to mine them and make it impossibly dangerous to mine efficiently.

Restore belts to being scannable sites, you done goofed CCP.

It's a bit different in WH. You have Local in null.

Actually, let me help you with my patented Don't Explode™ mining technique.

Lowsec: Find some backwoods, no traffic system. If someone enters local, dock/POS up, and watch list them. If they leave, resume mining. If they log off, it's a trap. Bonus points for picket scout(s) outside of system.

Nullsec: Pretty much the same thing. If a dead end system, play the "how many T2 Large Bubbles can I fit on this gate" game. Bonus points for cyno jammers, intel channels, or picket scouts.

W-Space: Close all incoming and outgoing connections. Watch list any known campers. Watch for new connections or ships on D-Scan. POS up if either appear. If a cloaky camper points you, use ECM drones. Bonus points for falcon alt. If people can safely farm with sieged capitals, I think you can mine.

Try mining outside of your big blue SOV space. In Sov space controlled by smaller alliances, not surounded by waves of blue space, and NPC null , the safety net provided by grav sites was a necessity. Even with that safety net mining in those systems was a high enough risk that almost nobody did it. Now without it, it is impossible.

To the OP. I believe CCP knew exactly what they were doing. With the big nerf to moon goo income that went along with the elimination of Technetium as a bottle neck, they have given the large null sec power blocks a monopoly of the null sec ores, as they now can not be mined at an acceptable risk level out side secured SOV space.

What I do not under stand is how CCP can be so blind to the true issue of this game. They know for a fact that these huge power block alliances are part of the problem. CCP developers complain about how stagnant null sec has become and look for ways to drive conflict. Yet they ignore the fact that this stagnation is caused by these huge power blocks. When you or your allies own every system within 40 jumps where do you go for conflict. Along the borders. leaving huge sections of space empty, and dead. Ghost Towns.

Why do we need these huge numbers of ghost town systems? These systems could provide space for smaller entities to get into null. Systems not even used by the groups that own them, systems that serve as nothing but a safety barrier. More small sov holding entities means more boarders, and more conflict. Many of these power blocks control such large area's of null that the systems at there core are safer than high sec. Why? So the members of these power blocks can be safe while they are ratting or otherwise engaging in PVE. Null sec was never meant to provide this level of safety for anyone, it is supposed to be dangerous space. Yet much of it is safer than high sec, and much more profitable. But only for those belonging to one of the power blocks.

The bigger the sov power blocks are, the less borders there are, less boarders means les conflict, less conflict means less PVP. The game was not designed to have player organizations larger and more powerful than the NPC empires. Titans were designed to be almost impossible to build, It was thought that there would only be a few in existence at any one time. Yet now we have hundreds of them. Even fleets of them. The best solution to drive more conflict is not to suppress the small entities while supporting the power blocks. it would be to change game mechanics so these large power blocks can not be so easily maintained. Change the way SOV works so that these big power blocks will fall apart in favor of many more smaller groups.

Make alliances rely on there members for financial support. Bottom up, as has been discussed so many times. But do it in a way that players have to actively support their alliance, not just automatically through taxation. What this would do is make these huge power blocks unmanageable as it would be far to difficult to keep track of who is pulling their weight and who is not. We would see much smaller groups of elite players in the best alliances, while much of the dead weight will end up in other smaller groups, over all leading to more boarders to dispute,and much more conflict, as there would be much more division between those living in null sec.

Rather than simply attacking your neighbors to take there space, how about some new mechanics to pillage space. When attacking an i-hub you could target specific upgrades, as an alternative to destroying the i-hub and taking the system. The attacking corp or alliance could get a payout equal to 50-60% the value of the upgrade they destroyed. Pillage rather than concur.

For PVP to thrive, null sec should be full of many smaller groups that are free to attack each other generating casual PVP, not these massive power blocks engaged in cold war, So afraid to lose what they have that they do not fight unless they know they will win. The massive fleet battles this results in can be epic, but the servers can not support them well. this has gotten much better since TiDi was implemented, but still, EVE was not designed for battles of this scale, and the average PVPer is not content with an epic battle once every couple of months with almost no PVP in between, while assets are rebuilt. Daily smaller battles would make for a much more enjoyable engaging game.

Why not quote the part where I described how to mine without dying? Also, you grossly misuse the words "impossible" and "fact" as well as sounding bitter as hell. I'm a wormhole vet who has been in Sov null less than 30 days. Tell me more about the things I should try.

Let me repeat something from earlier: people successfully farm with sieged capitals in wormhole space with no local and connections that spawn with no warning. But hey, mining outside of high sec is impossible, right?

With respect to warp speed, you can get it down to 8 or 9 seconds with nanos on a Mack. In a Skiff it's much, much faster. I find the problem is spotting the red more than anything else. Unless you're concentrating 100% on local, every single second, there's always the chance you can miss the player arriving. That can add time to your warp-out.

I tend to see the actual mining vessel as disposable. I'm going to lose one every now and again whatever I do.

But like I say, nano skiff can GTFO very fast.

LOL,
What you described is only possible in protected SOV space. But I guess it makes sense that someone in such a large alliance would not have a clue how to play this game outside that environment.

yes because you have to worry about getting hot dropped in a wormhole while your PVE fitted capital ship is sieged. The fact that you compare ratting in a capital ship to mining only shows how little you know about how mining works. And yes W-space is much more dangerous than SOV null sec. No argument there. But mining in W-space was as reliant on D-scan as I was. Do you not realize that for miners it is D-scan that has been nerfed, not local.

I am not one of those miners who complains about cloaky campers showing up in local preventing me from undocking. I actually go out and mine regardless. I could not care less about local.

How I used to mine was to find a grav site and set up my fleet. I would watch D-scan like a hawk for any incoming threat. Since grav sites had to be scanned down i had plenty of warning about an incoming threat do to seeing probes on D-scan. Very very similar to how things are done in W-space. High risk, but that risk could be mitigated by paying attention, and putting some effort into it. Now that method of mining is no lo0nger possible.

Your solution is that I behave like the Chicken s**t null bear miners that dock up ever time a neut pops up in local? Where I mine there was always neuts in local. How is that a solution? I would rather give up local, than give up grav sites. With no local I would actually be even safer as nobody would know I was even in system. However with the loss of grav sites, I no longer have the needed window as there is no longer anything on D-scan for me to see. Incoming ship? Not if they are cloaked.

Actually, you're right. It's impossible, you shouldn't try, and CCP is out to get you.

- Jon Snow

That would be every evening in the space where I live. Local does a much harm as good. You can see them , but they also can see you. if there was no local, you would not see a threat, and they would not know you were even in the system.

In case you have not noticed, I am a supporter of local being removed completely, or at least delayed like in W-space.

Wow, I didn't even have to say anything else. You took the words right out of my mouth.