Ships & Modules

whats a proper small group pvp fit?

The main reason I said to use my fit over yours is that the XL Ancillary SB is causing you massive fitting problems, and the +20 signature radius you get from using my buffer fit is negligible and the tank you get is almost identical to what you'd get from 1 magazine of cap boosters in your fit.

Basically, if you want to use a Tengu just go for a straight up buffer + dps fit with a 10MN MWD, although I'd personally just use a Drake for what you want to do, you lose some performance but it is far cheaper and it performs a similar role of HAM dps + heavy shield tank, once you've gained some experience in the Drake you can move up to a Tengu which is pretty much an upgrade.

A 100MN AB fit doesn't suit what you want to do with it, it's meant for kiting with Heavy Missiles and requires alot of expensive modules to work properly.

1. Yes

2. See above

3. It's 180m, which is more than you are spending on mods

4. Don't fly a tengu if you don't know what you are doing, which you clearly don't.

[Tengu, 100MN T2 hml buffer]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This works pretty well if you want a cheap Tengu. Comes in at around 700-800 mil. AB and rigs could probably be tweaked. The 100MN Afterburner and faction tackle mods form the core of the fit. You REALLY don't want to be cheaping out on those. A buffer HAM setup could work I guess, only issue with that is the short missile range. Tengus have a reputation of being massively overpowered...but once you apply webs and neuts they die very easily.


Sounds like the HAM drake might be what your after. Tis a sweet DPS brick :)

Just putting this here, slightly different option but you can run the numbers yourself in EFT to figure out the point I'm trying to make.

[Tengu, XL-ASB LOL2]
Co-Processor II
Reactor Control Unit II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Highlights:

600DPS with CN scourge, 700 with rage

71k EHP

No implants, no links, no fleet bonus at all, T2 fit and T1 rigs (you can push that EHP way better with T2 rigs)

Edit: ho because I forgot this, It's cap stable at 56% everything running.

Edit2: you can change the CPU Efficiency Gate Subsystem for a Dissolution Sequencer Subsystem but you'll need a Zainou Gypsy Electronics EE-605 (+5% CPU)

Look to Drake.
Or, if your corp is sizable enough, - consider viability of flying this in some purely Corp member vs. Corp member RvB / training exercises on SiSi. See how it handles, how it may have glaring weak points, and then compare it with a Drake under similar training conditions.

I am surprised that noone asked you already what the rest of the fleet will look like, how many you will be and where do you plan on looking for targets.

Budget, experience, supply lines and other things might also be factors to consider.

Maybe you tell us the whole story and will get much better advice than "your tengu sucks".