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My thoughts on eve and mini-games...

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2013-06-13 11:07:43 UTC
Indalecia wrote:

And you really think the new exploration mini-game is not brainless?



Try hacking every single one. ALL of them. Just try. For once...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#62 - 2013-06-13 11:09:14 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Capt Tenguru10 wrote:
the hacking mini game is a joke, way too hard. not enough balance. the can wins 99% of the time.


You sound bad. I almost never pop a can.



For once I'm agreeing with you right off the bat. Big smile

These folks either have not done the hacking game, or are just spewing vitriol just to be spewing vitriol.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#63 - 2013-06-13 11:12:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Game suggests you can lose.


and you can, so game it is


Youve lost at clicking on the screen?

How do you even load the game lol



With this you have outed yourself as a 12 year old, really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#64 - 2013-06-13 11:26:49 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Game suggests you can lose.


and you can, so game it is


Youve lost at clicking on the screen?

How do you even load the game lol



With this you have outed yourself as a 12 year old, really.



How do you figure that one, sportsfan?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#65 - 2013-06-13 11:38:41 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


How do you figure that one, sportsfan?



Correction. 10.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#66 - 2013-06-13 11:39:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


How do you figure that one, sportsfan?



Correction. 10.



Im still waiting to hear your rational on how any of those posts equate to my age matching your mental age.


Please, enlighten me

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


That's an accusatory troll with no basis in fact. At all.


You already said it best yourself

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#67 - 2013-06-13 11:58:55 UTC
Because you are trolling too hard, badly, and obviously.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#68 - 2013-06-13 12:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Because you are trolling too hard, badly, and obviously.


Sorry, I think you have me confused with someone else

Just because you dont agree with my point of view doesnt make me a troll.

I suggest you stay out of politics


*edit* Did I annoy you by calling Thomas Jefferson a terrorist and a ****? Thats the only bit of properly trollery I can remember doing recently

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-06-14 19:30:45 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:




It has been my experience that there are three driving factors to do anything in eve.

1. to make isk.

2. to socially interact with other players.

3. to do it because you enjoy it immensely. ( this often requires doing a lot of # 1. to afford it )







These mini-games were added for purpose. The purpose of making RMT more difficult, something which truly ruins EVE ind it's famous player-driven economy.


Making RMT harder should not come at the expense of making playing the game the way you want harder. There has to be a better way.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
cptnstabn
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-06-15 02:33:12 UTC
Well I tried the hacking mini-game today , seriously what a joke I don't sub to play mini-games let alone have loot spew and vanish, If i wanted a mini-game I'm sure I could slit a wrist and play candy crush, who's the idiot that said sure lets make eve worse and introduce mini-games

enough said..
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-06-15 04:40:40 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
3) Mini-games for enjoyment? I suppose it's possible. Folks that just want to enjoy a mini-game typically don't want someone else to be able to trample thru their mini-game-garden, and this is eve... plus eve isn't free and mini-games kinda are free.


Mini-games work if designed well and fit. Adding a mini-game after-the-affect as a time sink does not.

EQII has a tradeskill mini-game that prevents bots from tradeskilling (it used to be severe enough you could die from not hitting the right key sequence). It was perfect way to time sink tradeskilling and in the manner that also promoted socialization (tradeskill stations in the guildhall, so it becomes the guild's social hub area). It demanded socialization otherwise a player would be bored to death doing 500 rush orders a night to level the guild!

In a PvP game any mini-game has to be quick because the screen and focus should never be away from being aware of your surroundings. A little hacking game (something like Deus Ex used to open locked doors [lockpicking]), anything else isn't designed for solo exploring/fighting.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-06-20 15:40:31 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
3) Mini-games for enjoyment? I suppose it's possible. Folks that just want to enjoy a mini-game typically don't want someone else to be able to trample thru their mini-game-garden, and this is eve... plus eve isn't free and mini-games kinda are free.


Mini-games work if designed well and fit. Adding a mini-game after-the-affect as a time sink does not.

EQII has a tradeskill mini-game that prevents bots from tradeskilling (it used to be severe enough you could die from not hitting the right key sequence). It was perfect way to time sink tradeskilling and in the manner that also promoted socialization (tradeskill stations in the guildhall, so it becomes the guild's social hub area). It demanded socialization otherwise a player would be bored to death doing 500 rush orders a night to level the guild!

In a PvP game any mini-game has to be quick because the screen and focus should never be away from being aware of your surroundings. A little hacking game (something like Deus Ex used to open locked doors [lockpicking]), anything else isn't designed for solo exploring/fighting.



hmm... I hadn't even considered the lockpicking from deus ex to even be a mini-game, but you're right. It was just a very unobtrusive one, that had a place, made sense, and didn't take long to do.


thanks for bringing that up, it's a fine example.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#73 - 2013-06-20 15:57:09 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
[quote=Ris Dnalor]3) In a PvP game any mini-game has to be quick because the screen and focus should never be away from being aware of your surroundings. A little hacking game (something like Deus Ex used to open locked doors [lockpicking]), anything else isn't designed for solo exploring/fighting.


Respect. Cool

Glad you brought this up.

I cannot stand puzzle games and my true hate for mini games in EVE shines as bright as 1 million Jupiter sized suns! Deus Ex was ahead of it's time and just done so well in many areas, this one stands out.

CCP could learn a few things from the way it was done in Deus Ex for sure.

I think the exploration changes are truly a fail on the part of CCP, the auto scanning of sites and the not fun mini game/hacking changes lead the way.

Obviously not the best from CCP. Sad