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AFK Cloaking - Sponser a Newb

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-20 01:54:19 UTC
I set up my corporation a while ago to encourage people to AFK cloak in popular PvE null systems but unfortunately had to leave EvE for a while. Now Im back and having been inspired by recent complaints regarding cloaking have decided to take up that honorable cause once more.

I'm offering newbies 50 million per week to train a basic cloaking alt and then will assign them a system in null to afk cloak in when theyre not online.

I am calling for all those successful players who recognize the value of such a cause to sponsor their own newbie to do likewise. Recruit a newbie, assign him or her a system and send that brave pilot 50 mill. You will help EvE, cause tears and rage and be comforted in the knowledge thatfor a mere 50 mill you too are contributing to the creation of these wonderfully amusing threads.

What do you think of this idea?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-06-20 01:55:42 UTC
I approve of this product and/or service. The tears must flow.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-20 02:17:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I approve of this product and/or service. The tears must flow.



This could be good.

Thank You Obama!
Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-20 03:05:17 UTC
Awesome

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Mabon Clave
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-20 03:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mabon Clave
Sounds good, but seeing a noob in local is not a good enough reason to dock up or run away for serious nullplorers, itl just be "meh, plex as usual"

Keeping an eye on local/dscan is good enough if you know what you are doing and have a cloaky-eyes alt scouting your acceleration gate.

noobalt is not scary enough.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-20 05:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Scary enough for some, moreso once theyre old enough to be able to open a covert cyno.

I have 10 alts training for this very thing. Will be offerring free hotdrops whenever I spot something worth ganking.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-20 05:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ACE McFACE
Mabon Clave wrote:
Sounds good, but seeing a noob in local is not a good enough reason to dock up or run away for serious nullplorers, itl just be "meh, plex as usual"

Keeping an eye on local/dscan is good enough if you know what you are doing and have a cloaky-eyes alt scouting your acceleration gate.

noobalt is not scary enough.

You overestimate the bravery of your average PvE nuller. Plus that 2 week old alt can drop an entire fleet on you because of titan bridges and cynos.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Endeavour Starfleet
#8 - 2013-06-20 12:16:37 UTC
I want to thank you for doing this. No seriously.

You are spending your own isk and alts to help prove just how unbalanced the ability to go away from the client while cloaking is.

CCP has never said anything positive about doing that other than to say that AFK Cloaking is not an exploit. Which it isn't as that would be against the TOS but it is unbalanced. Maybe this will help convince them that it is time to finally dig into the extremely old code of cloaking and try something new.

Again thank you!
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#9 - 2013-06-20 12:26:08 UTC
Have some likes. AFK cloaking whine threads are always hilarious.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-06-20 12:46:34 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I set up my corporation a while ago to encourage people to AFK cloak in popular PvE null systems but unfortunately had to leave EvE for a while. Now Im back and having been inspired by recent complaints regarding cloaking have decided to take up that honorable cause once more.

I'm offering newbies 50 million per week to train a basic cloaking alt and then will assign them a system in null to afk cloak in when theyre not online.

I am calling for all those successful players who recognize the value of such a cause to sponsor their own newbie to do likewise. Recruit a newbie, assign him or her a system and send that brave pilot 50 mill. You will help EvE, cause tears and rage and be comforted in the knowledge thatfor a mere 50 mill you too are contributing to the creation of these wonderfully amusing threads.

What do you think of this idea?


Not a bad idea actually, if it encourages people who live in NULL SEC to actually think about what they are doing.

I love null PVE but it seems that in CCPs quest to give people a reason to be in null, they've attracted a portion of the high sec "I should be left alone" entitlement crowd who simply dock up and complain on the forums when some dude in a frigate cloaks in the system they like to use. It's also a problem of stupidly restrictive rental agreements (so some corps onlhave 1 "ratting system" and a cloaker will disrupt that, not because he's dangerous, but smply because he's their and the ';bears can figure out a video game).

As I've said in multiple threads now, i most be seriously cracked and must be doing things wrong because I've flown pirate faction battleships and tech3s in null sec making isk for years and haven't died to a hotdrop (other than an awoxxing, which is different) yet..
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-06-20 12:48:01 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I want to thank you for doing this. No seriously.

You are spending your own isk and alts to help prove just how unbalanced the ability to go away from the client while cloaking is.

CCP has never said anything positive about doing that other than to say that AFK Cloaking is not an exploit. Which it isn't as that would be against the TOS but it is unbalanced. Maybe this will help convince them that it is time to finally dig into the extremely old code of cloaking and try something new.

Again thank you!


It's not ccp that needs convincing, it's the players who need to learn that this isn't a problem if they actually learn to THINK.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#12 - 2013-06-20 13:31:01 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I want to thank you for doing this. No seriously.

You are spending your own isk and alts to help prove just how unbalanced the ability to go away from the client while cloaking is.

CCP has never said anything positive about doing that other than to say that AFK Cloaking is not an exploit. Which it isn't as that would be against the TOS but it is unbalanced. Maybe this will help convince them that it is time to finally dig into the extremely old code of cloaking and try something new.

Again thank you!


It's only unbalanced because YOU LET IT BE.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Endeavour Starfleet
#13 - 2013-06-20 13:40:09 UTC
Let it be? I and many others have made suggestions in detail on how CCP can bring balance to cloaking without harming active players. The ideas are there and CCP never comments other than to say it is not an exploit. My guess is that Cloaking code is a mess and any changes will require significant dev time that may have been planned for something else.

That is why I thank the folks that are doing this and making topics like these. At the very least it may convince CCP to actually take a public side of the issue or maybe even do something to bring balance to cloaking.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#14 - 2013-06-20 13:53:16 UTC
this is hilarious. When i get some time i will have to participate in this honorable craft.

Afk Cloaking isnt overpowered. They are afk and only effect you cause you are a pussy...I thought rule 1 of eve was never fly what you cant afford to lose.If someone is afk cloaking just put that shiny ship away bring out a T2 fit and continue..Its not hard...You are just kinda idiots.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-06-20 13:55:33 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I set up my corporation a while ago to encourage people to AFK cloak in popular PvE null systems but unfortunately had to leave EvE for a while. Now Im back and having been inspired by recent complaints regarding cloaking have decided to take up that honorable cause once more.

I'm offering newbies 50 million per week to train a basic cloaking alt and then will assign them a system in null to afk cloak in when theyre not online.

I am calling for all those successful players who recognize the value of such a cause to sponsor their own newbie to do likewise. Recruit a newbie, assign him or her a system and send that brave pilot 50 mill. You will help EvE, cause tears and rage and be comforted in the knowledge thatfor a mere 50 mill you too are contributing to the creation of these wonderfully amusing threads.

What do you think of this idea?


Great way to get AFK cloaking nerfed quickly. I approve!

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#16 - 2013-06-20 13:56:54 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I set up my corporation a while ago to encourage people to AFK cloak in popular PvE null systems but unfortunately had to leave EvE for a while. Now Im back and having been inspired by recent complaints regarding cloaking have decided to take up that honorable cause once more.

I'm offering newbies 50 million per week to train a basic cloaking alt and then will assign them a system in null to afk cloak in when theyre not online.

I am calling for all those successful players who recognize the value of such a cause to sponsor their own newbie to do likewise. Recruit a newbie, assign him or her a system and send that brave pilot 50 mill. You will help EvE, cause tears and rage and be comforted in the knowledge thatfor a mere 50 mill you too are contributing to the creation of these wonderfully amusing threads.

What do you think of this idea?

I will do it for 200m but you will need to pay in advance please
GreenSeed
#17 - 2013-06-20 14:11:05 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I want to thank you for doing this. No seriously.

You are spending your own isk and alts to help prove just how unbalanced the ability to go away from the client while cloaking is.

CCP has never said anything positive about doing that other than to say that AFK Cloaking is not an exploit. Which it isn't as that would be against the TOS but it is unbalanced. Maybe this will help convince them that it is time to finally dig into the extremely old code of cloaking and try something new.

Again thank you!

you must be new in eve if you think CCP will balance the game to cater to your risk adversity.

your bitching will only help local to be removed.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-06-20 14:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Let it be? I and many others have made suggestions in detail on how CCP can bring balance to cloaking without harming active players. The ideas are there and CCP never comments other than to say it is not an exploit. My guess is that Cloaking code is a mess and any changes will require significant dev time that may have been planned for something else.


That's a very self serving "guess". It could be that they understand that Afk cloaking isn't a problem to begin with

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That is why I thank the folks that are doing this and making topics like these. At the very least it may convince CCP to actually take a public side of the issue or maybe even do something to bring balance to cloaking.


They have taken a side. The created it , have ignored the "omg afk cloak" people for years and have publicly told people it's not an exploit. How much clearer can they be?

Every few minutes some solo fool in null sec in a pve fitted ship dies after someone uncloaks and points them. Probably in a station system which probably has any number of defensive modules on sale...not a one of which that PVE'r had even in his hanger.

The only thing that should change is perhaps small buffs to defensive equipment (like for example tech2 warp core stabs nullifying the "shut down MWD" affect of scrams, or a skill or drug that lets you lessen the penalties of things like warp core stabs). But cloaking itself is fine.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#19 - 2013-06-20 14:31:33 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Let it be? I and many others have made suggestions in detail on how CCP can bring balance to cloaking without harming active players. The ideas are there and CCP never comments other than to say it is not an exploit. My guess is that Cloaking code is a mess and any changes will require significant dev time that may have been planned for something else.

That is why I thank the folks that are doing this and making topics like these. At the very least it may convince CCP to actually take a public side of the issue or maybe even do something to bring balance to cloaking.


I got news for you: Any "fix" CCP comes up with to circumvent afk cloaking will have a solution within a few days, and you will continue to see cloaked ships sitting in your home system. The players will adapt.

What you need to learn to understand is this fix would make matters much worse for you, as any cloaked ships in your system must be assumed to be not afk at all times, whereas now you can reasonably determine that someone is indeed afk. You also need to learn to adapt yourself, and when you do, you will see it for what it is - a non-issue.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-06-20 14:33:12 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I set up my corporation a while ago to encourage people to AFK cloak in popular PvE null systems but unfortunately had to leave EvE for a while. Now Im back and having been inspired by recent complaints regarding cloaking have decided to take up that honorable cause once more.

I'm offering newbies 50 million per week to train a basic cloaking alt and then will assign them a system in null to afk cloak in when theyre not online.

I am calling for all those successful players who recognize the value of such a cause to sponsor their own newbie to do likewise. Recruit a newbie, assign him or her a system and send that brave pilot 50 mill. You will help EvE, cause tears and rage and be comforted in the knowledge thatfor a mere 50 mill you too are contributing to the creation of these wonderfully amusing threads.

What do you think of this idea?


Great way to get AFK cloaking nerfed quickly. I approve!

My hope is that nullbears will whine enough local will get a nerf or cloaking ships will disappear from local when cloaked.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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