Player Features and Ideas Discussion

exactly as THC Trader says, there should be a notable indication that someone just passed the gate.

you are not allowed to quote GM corresponsence on forums.

Doesnt need a gate flash even, just add some sound.

no they are not.
Some noticeable signalling would be fine.

Just have someone cloaked scout the other side of the gate?

you shouldnt need a scout to tell if someone just used the gate, nor you should need an eagle eye looking a the gate all the time for that.

Still not enough flames i see, c'mon forum / eft warriors , i am disappointed .
Anyhow , i was not looking for comments " how to " , the post is to let CCP know that they screwing things while introducing new "improvements" some of them good some not so good . In patch notes there was nothing about taking away gate flash/sound , or quieter shield/armor/hull warning sounds (but this is separate issue which apparently will be fixed soon according to GM who according to some i cant quote ( as it might be something embarrassing in what they say).
So prompting again devs to respond please on the stated issue.
Thx
Qd

Funny thing, that. I don't even own a mining ship and you can find dozens of my posts around the forums talking openly about my distaste for mining and my general contempt for miners. It's amusing how anyone who disagrees with a gatecamper is instantly dismissed as doing nothing but mining.

Even as you say it's unreasonable to have a scout on the other side of a gate, you say "passionate gatecampers will put a scout at all gates". What's the problem then with continuing to do exactly what they already do?

I think the crux of your problem lies in the end of your last phrase: "I need to pay attention to the fight itself while watching at the gate. This sucks!" Perhaps it does, when compared to how it used to be under the "effortless gate intel" of pre-Odyssey times.

I'll tell you something else that sucks. Jumping into a gatecamped system and the gatecamp knowing you're there even before you've loaded the grid. Knowing that you will have exactly one, maybe two seconds to either get cloaked or get into warp or else you're popped and probably podded. What sucks worse than that is how the gatecamp pre-Odyssey didn't even need to be watching EVE. They could be alt-tabbed entirely, maybe watching something on YouTube with the volume in EVE turned up. That is what sucks. Evading a gatecamp required 100% of your attention and a bit of skill besides that unless you were flying something with a covert cloak - and even then there wasn't any guarantee. Now the ball has shifted a bit into the other court - gatecampers now have to pay attention to what they're doing or else their prey will escape, just like their prey has to pay attention lest it be caught.

Effort in, results out. You get what you give. If you're fighting on the gate, you'll just have to accept the fact that anyone or anything could potentially come through that gate and be ready to deal with it - just like everyone else has to deal with the fact that someone may warp in on them in a cloaky tackler at any time despite their best Dscanning efforts.

No, I'm talking about gatecampers like they've had virtually all the advantages up until now and are squealing like stuck pigs now that one of their advantages has been taken from them. Nobody's talking about honor in EVE - or at least I don't think anyone is. As for "getting used to it", I don't know about others but every gate I jump in lowsec is assumed to be watched by a cloaky scout unless there isn't anyone else in Local.

I won't address the comment about bait too much, since an indirect buff to baiting doesn't seem like a bad thing to me and I haven't more to say about it.

The only way I can imagine you won't see gate activation is if you're playing so far zoomed out that you can't even see the gate at all. I've spent plenty of time watching all the various types of stargates because I was in fact curious if the destination side showed anything at all. Unless you're not able to see the gate even a little bit, there's definitely noticeable electrical discharge effects and brighter-than-normal glow.

Since stargates are important to your particular experience in EVE, perhaps the key for you will be to spend a bit of time familiarizing yourself with their new behavior rather than demanding they be returned to the old way - you know, that "adapt or die" thing. It's a popular saying among PvPers when their potential targets and/or people they look down upon react negatively to a change.

Spot on. Pretty interesting that EVE now genuinely feels that way. You havent jumped through the gate at all, you;ve actually just warped to it, albeit from much further away than normal!

this is what I'm saying. Organized gatecampers dont give a fck, solo people or tiny gangs are nerfed once again.

~inb4 eve is MMO argument~ from a guy who expects game mechanics to support his solo travel...