Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well written, fun read and I completely agree with you.

Best written Incarna suggestion I've read so far. +1

By far the best WiS-related thread I've ever seen. Your point is well-made: WiS shouldn't be a replacement for the "hard" side of EVE, the business transactions and fighting (though I do think it would be cool to be able to conduct agent meetings or manage your industry Tony Stark-style). It should be an extension of the "soft" side, the interactions between people. Who wouldn't pay to, say, see James 315 expound from a makeshift pulpit in the central lobby of Jita 4-4?

I'd like to see the idea of a shared social hub extended to POSes as well. XLSMAs have a number of "greeblies" that look perfect for, say, a corporate lounge and personal dormitories. The damn things even have an atmospheric retention field across what looks like a docking bay at one end. Hell, you could lift that bit of geometry from the top and make it into a POS module that serves no function beyond allowing access to a corporate lounge and consumes no (or negligible) amounts of PG and CPU.

This should get some serious attention. What happened to all the resources they had already, they had some great social stuff already like games, and bars. I'm not sure it should be a separate game though, it doesn't need to be that intense. Just a cool place to relax and take a break from the harshness of space, talk with people. I'm completely for first person though, it really should be first person just from an immersion point of view. You could get away with having an in-station hud, just cut it down to make it more social interaction oriented.

As starting point would be enough:

1. A multiavatar room (with some cap, like 5-10 at the same time) the engine for this is already in the client, they should only re-arrang it

2. Remove the NEX store and make all the wis related items (cloths, furniture, modules, whatever) craftable and integrated in the industry process, as any other EVE item.

Then other developments could be added in a second stage.

The idea of a separate game is plain wrong, is what they already did with Incarna and produced an epic faillure.
Their (CCP) idea is to keep EVE on a mantainence/tweeking level forever, basically giving up any further development for EVE it and in the meantime (with our subscriptions) develpoing some brand new project.

This may be convenient for the company, but not for their customers. So they hired CSM members and forum trolls to support/promote this idea amongst players.

Well, your apartment could have mirrors. But I'd happily settle for both. As long as you can actually control the camera just with the mouse, and you don't have to hold a button to look around.

Mini-games for socializing (since WiS should certainly have a significant social aspect to it), are a must.

Gambling seems a natural for the EVE universe (it could even be an ISK sink if playing against 'the house' and like most gambling establishments the more favorable odds go to the house).

I wouldn't mind seeing carnival type (or family-fun pizza place type) games too, perhaps where we can win tickets good toward those fancy new cosmetic items or things to decorate our abode. Maybe even ship modules. Ooooo.... rare grand prizes like a new rare ship hull or skin.

And then EVE could earn itself it's proper 'M' rating with some more 'adult' type entertainment establishments.

I feel like a lot of the EVE players do this themselves when they say "no new features, fix what is already here" all the time :/ Im definitely for fixing new things, but not implementing anything new isn't very desirable either. We need to find a middle ground of consistent updating of old content as well as newer content. I feel like Odyssey did a pretty good job with that, we will see what happens in the near future too.

EDIT: When you look at the early expansions, you also have to consider the rather unfinished state the game was in, and also CCP's fire-and-forget approach to adding features. They did very little maintenance back in the day.

I could very easily get used to this. It's a good idea. The analogy to ship-spinning is well-considered. And it doesn't have to be the only available use of avatars, just one of them.

Incarna as an entirely different game would be a poor substitute. I'm not even sure how it would work. If Dersen happened to log out of EVE in a ship (which he does a lot these days--it's hard to dock in a POS), can I log him in to this Incarna game? If I have him docked and logged out of EVE, and logged in to Incarna, can he not undock in EVE? Can I log another character on his account into Incarna while he's logged in to EVE? Do I have to come up with different characters? If so, why not just log in to another one of the many, many games built around avatars? It's hardly seamless, not to mention the deleterious effects on immersion. I'll be blunt: my interest in Incarna begins and ends as an extension of EVE. If I can't get Dersen out of a ship and into leather pants to go prowling around on foot, then meh.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I'd want to be the project lead for the effort to merge the WoD modifications to CARBON back into EVE. So unless CCP is doing some really nice work keeping the two projects in communication with each other, it's going to be a great deal of effort either way. The more it feels like one game in one universe, the happier I will be.

Stabber. Show her your stabber.

I definately agree that eve lacks an intimate private atmosphere in chatting. You certainly can make closed chanel groups, but frankly, That's kind of silly, adds an unneccissary window when the reality is that you just go there to occasionally chat with old mates, and blow cigar smoke swapping tales of yesteryore.

The biggest failure of incarana wasn't that it took eve in a different direction, it was that it failed to take eve in any direction.

I will say this though, I like looking at Blastil's shapely ass. Please don't remove 3rd person from the game.