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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#61 - 2013-06-20 00:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Anatole Madullier wrote:
You seem to be under the impression that it is governments and politics that make up society. But in all honest it isn't so. We've been made to believe this, we've been fed this from the moment we were born and many continue to believe this till the moment we die.

Unfortunately they do. Now I am all for frollicing around in meadows naked, but civilizations require governments. We believe in them because there is a need for them. Governments are essential for civilizations, and for the most part civilizations are necessarily good things.
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Think for a moment, imagine if you will and I understand this is difficult to phantom because I myself am not even able to picture it clearly how it would work out.

Again confusion reigns. Are you asking us to imagine something that can't be imagined?
Have you considered the reason you can’t imagine it is because a civilization as complicated as our own couldn’t function using your... model.
Anatole Madullier wrote:
But imagine a universe without borders, a world without governing body, a society of people based in the ideal that we all are people, and by that ideal we are all equal.

No thank you. What your describing is called chaos and would result in the near total extermination of our species. Without functional order, relying on the whim of the individual, societies and by extensions civilizations crumble. As very few will do the unpleasant things that need to be done to maintain communities.

To put it in very practical terms. Someone is going to have to muck out the public privy sooner or later and folks that like to run naked in meadows usually won't volunteer.
Anatole Madullier wrote:
As I also stated. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it will never be.

Your exercise is, by your own admission, and as described, pointless.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-06-20 01:03:49 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

Now I am all for frollicing around in meadows naked, but civilizations require governments.


Food for thought

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/kropotkin/revpamphlets/lawandauthority.htm
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#63 - 2013-06-20 01:45:46 UTC
Cipher, part of my education at the SWA required some reading of foreign political theory. A very interesting treatise from the Federation -- 'Temporary Autonomous Zone' or something like? I forget the author -- posited that all revolutions inevitably turn on themselves, as they establish a new power structure.

Come to think of it, this is commonly associated with 'festal' or 'rave' culture, whatever that is.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#64 - 2013-06-20 06:35:26 UTC
James,

You counter a lot of my points. And you are right. You counter my points based on your life experience, on what you have seen and observed and what you believe or have been led to believe.

I like to think beyond the constraints of what has been presented to us by media, by education and by our peers. And that is my choice.

I'd like to provide insight in how for just a few hours we can let go of all these constraints, we can experience the freedom and at the same time the responsibilities that come with it. What we do is far from pointless, and the only way to see this is experience it.

Cipher,

From the bottom of my heart I thank you for that source.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#65 - 2013-06-20 16:57:24 UTC
If you're interested in theory, Mr. Madullier, a text for you; http://mobilecanteens.pbworks.com/f/Hakim+Bey+TAZ_.pdf

His writing is engaging, though at times he seems to have had a bit too much mindflood. Mind, I suspect -any- is a bit too much, but as you will.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#66 - 2013-06-20 17:19:36 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
If you're interested in theory, Mr. Madullier, a text for you; http://mobilecanteens.pbworks.com/f/Hakim+Bey+TAZ_.pdf

His writing is engaging, though at times he seems to have had a bit too much mindflood. Mind, I suspect -any- is a bit too much, but as you will.


Thank you very much Ms Priano, while from what I can see at first glance it's no light reading material I am sure it will prove interesting.

Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#67 - 2013-06-20 17:26:27 UTC
Anatole, I agree with your message. We should show the world the cycle of true life, death, and rebirth.

Let us go forward. Together, preferably.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#68 - 2013-06-20 17:48:27 UTC
Anarchy is lunacy. Authority is required to bind humanity together. Only together can we collectively reach farther and accomplish more. Individually, le ft to our own devices, we are scattered and weak. No single man or woman can stand against an armada.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#69 - 2013-06-20 19:57:47 UTC
While I agree with Evi with regards to the dangers of anarchy, there is a danger in an authoritarian society wherein the citizens are not allowed even a small measure of individuality.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-06-20 21:04:22 UTC
Moderation in all tings.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#71 - 2013-06-20 21:35:22 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
While I agree with Evi with regards to the dangers of anarchy, there is a danger in an authoritarian society wherein the citizens are not allowed even a small measure of individuality.


I have all the individuality I require.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#72 - 2013-06-20 21:40:41 UTC
Ms. Polevhia, out of curiosity, how heavily do your implants moderate your personality?

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#73 - 2013-06-20 21:56:22 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Polevhia, out of curiosity, how heavily do your implants moderate your personality?


Directly? None. Indirectly I suppose it could be argued my new connections with others alters my perspective which in turn alters my personality. The main alteration in my behavior as compared with, for example, a year ago would be due to the things I have witnessed and learned. I would hope everyone would be so open minded to changing their views when presented with new information.

I have however been looking into additional implants with behavioral modification intent. If I have the tools to improve myself, I see no reason not to.
ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#74 - 2013-06-21 01:02:44 UTC
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#75 - 2013-06-21 01:27:52 UTC
Ah, thank you my friend for helping keep it hate free.

Not even I catch everything. Would you feel like an invite as well?

ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#76 - 2013-06-21 01:31:43 UTC
Thank you, sir, for the sincere invitation.



However, my responsibilities are elsewhere and I must decline.

ISD Cyberdyne

Lieutenant Commander

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N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#77 - 2013-06-21 02:16:18 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Polevhia, out of curiosity, how heavily do your implants moderate your personality?


Directly? None. Indirectly I suppose it could be argued my new connections with others alters my perspective which in turn alters my personality. The main alteration in my behavior as compared with, for example, a year ago would be due to the things I have witnessed and learned. I would hope everyone would be so open minded to changing their views when presented with new information.

I have however been looking into additional implants with behavioral modification intent. If I have the tools to improve myself, I see no reason not to.


While I have no doubt that this is just dandy for you personally, the average True Slave is given no such choice.

**Vherokior **

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#78 - 2013-06-21 03:30:09 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ms. Polevhia, out of curiosity, how heavily do your implants moderate your personality?


Directly? None. Indirectly I suppose it could be argued my new connections with others alters my perspective which in turn alters my personality. The main alteration in my behavior as compared with, for example, a year ago would be due to the things I have witnessed and learned. I would hope everyone would be so open minded to changing their views when presented with new information.

I have however been looking into additional implants with behavioral modification intent. If I have the tools to improve myself, I see no reason not to.


While I have no doubt that this is just dandy for you personally, the average True Slave is given no such choice.


I like how you think you can speak from a position of knowledge on such subjects. It's cute, really.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#79 - 2013-06-21 16:56:00 UTC
Considering the Nation's history of raids and mass abductions, Ms. Polevhia, such a derisive, dismissive reply does nothing to change the generally-held view of the Sanshas.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#80 - 2013-06-21 17:43:34 UTC
Considering the CONCORD signatories history of unprovoked attempted genocide against Nation, I don't see why my attitude towards Outsiders should change.