Missions & Complexes

This post strikes me as coming from somebody who hasn't done Incursions. I may be wrong, but your information certainly, from my perspective, seems to be.

1. In TVP, there are *always* enough people online, and if you have a decent fit ready to link into chat for fleet requests (ie: don't be that guy with Meta 1 cruises on a t1 raven) then you're not going to be waiting all that long at all.

2. In general, the communities try to keep agreements to avoid contesting. Occasionally this doesn't work, but either way it doesn't matter because there are always more sites available if you're bad at contesting.

3. You'll travel maybe 10 jumps, sometimes more, to be at the Incursion area for the next few days, at which point jumps are no issue until the Incursion ends. You then farm HQs for 31mil apiece and can easily run one of those every 20 minutes even with a noobfleet. If it starts getting shinier (ie: deadspace and faction mods on Machs, NMs, Vindis and Rattles) then this time gets shorter and shorter.

Lots of people posting here don't seem to strike me as having actually done Incursions, as their arguments seem to rely on opinion rather than evidence. I have been involved with Incursions, and this is what I've learned from it.

I can make 3 times that (20 mil) an hour missioning easily, all day, with one account. You can make 4-5 times that much in an Incursion fleet, cant do it all day, cant do it every day, cant do it when YOU want. The mission LP are easy to convert instantly for 1k. You can convert Concord LP for a much higher Isk per LP conversion, but when you factor in the time it takes to sell (and build), its not much more Isk per hour.

A "newbie friendly" incursion group DOES NOT make 100-120 million an hour.



Case in point.

Starting in Incursions will not be as profitable as effectively running lvl 4 missions, but once you have learned the ropes and gotten into the right ship with the right group they are very profitable. But you’re right they don’t give standings to anything important or even relevant.

But as far as profitable goes, it took me 2 months to learn the kill order so well I could do it in my sleep. Took another two months to finish maxing all the skills needed to fly a perfect Arty Mach. During that time I learned the names and times of people that were fun to fly with and good to have around. I now run Incursions when I want as an FC, I run for 3 to 5 hours when I have time and I make between 500 to 700 million not including LP. Additionally I sell ammo, Faction/Deadspace Invuls, occasionally Fed Webs and the odd bunch of nanite paste here and there. Total Net between 2 to 4 billion a week.

But LVL 4’s and Epic arcs are still available to me and when we have a down time (No high sec Incursion) I switch my buffer tank for an active tank and go grind a few missions out, or grind some roams out.

Missions also require much less attention than incursions so you are pretty much free to do anything else while doing missions (even rl stuff like babysitting kids, pets, do bio breaks whenever you want, not when fc tells you, cook...).

by 'good' you obviously mean terrible.

I run missions with a Rattlesnake, Fleet Typhoon or a Tengu depending on mission. No mission takes more than 20 minutes including looting/salvaging with a Noctis alt. I accept everything except Drone missions and Anomaly. Id say that I make around 70 mil/hour this way, converting LP with a 1500k/LP ration. No downtime what so ever.

I have no combat performance implants or shiny modules.

Ive chosen not to run Incursions due to me being a dad to a 2 year old and Incursions groups are way to serious for my taste.

Especially when they aren't considering the entire block of time. "Oh Im making 120 million an hour" is bullshit. You played for 28 hours over the weekend and made 2 bil? That's not 100 mil an hour, sorry. You were only counting when you were running sites.

If incursion running and L4 missions were actually worth doing-- relative to other activities-- I might do one (or maybe both!) of them.

Amazing, someone that thinks like I do, I was being berated by "someone" on the missions channel that missions exist SOLELY for the purpose of ISK/HOUR ratio efficiency ... I was flabbergasted and shocked, reminded me of the "elite" pvpers that throw K/D Killboard links around to "show off".

Some people take this game too seriously . If it works for them, good, yippieyay! but honestly, people pretending others HAVE to play by their standards or else they are doing it wrong is the main reason I avoid people ingame and join the odd player channels filled with religious fanatics, BDSM talks and dirty jokes.

If I wanted to maximize ISK/HOUR I would jump into null with old friends and do much much more ISK than any Hi sec mission runner freak tells me he can with his pimped out mission running ship of the month with deadspace mods that perma runs everything with his maxxed capacitor skills or their awesome click-fu that is able to ping shields/reppers to the spot to maximize perfect cap/ratio use ... ugh.

To each their own, but some people actually play eve with horse blindfolds on and PRETEND everyone should to, and I don´t really want anyone telling me how to play, if that was the case I would still be doing mining for a corp in null and rat on the weekends

Been here for so long that I have seen mostly all and just stuck to log in and roam around aimlessly doing what I fancy the most atm.

But seriously obsessive people on peak efficiency for "ANYTHING" game related just make me twist my head to a side and sigh inwards, then I laugh as I keep chatting with dusties exchanging RL XXX pictures of them.