Science & Industry

Well that's the beauty assuming an 2 hrs a day playtime ( sometimes I play up to 5) an a 50m an hr income per mac an 10 macs it would take 12hrs to pay for my account lets say a 7 day week to account for campers making me loose a day after which I would earn 18b a month turnover which I could use to go into larger super capital production projects

That's the idea

I see DiscoPhoons. Everywhere.

Not only that but, moving around when belts run out.... As far as getting them all safe, that's easily done in nullsec. All aligned to safespot and wing/fleet/squad leader warps wing to safe spot ;D

Your plan is not profitable.

You are only going to see about 15 mil an hour per miner. (( Including the orca boost ))

2hrs a day
7 days a week is 14hrs.
4 weeks a month = 56hrs.

56 x 15 = 840mil isk a month per ship.

subtract the plex for each account 560mil.

280 mil a month per ship profit.


This is perfect everything being played perfectly.
This also assumes all hulks set for max mining.

Max mining hulk = big gank target so expect losses and those ship replacements are not cheap.
So you'll have to go with something a little more sturdy. Which will mean less mining/isk per hour.

Then factor in hauling all the ore. Selling all the ore. As more time will be used up.

Then take in the worse factor of all: You will be stripping belts so fast with 15 ships that you will have to move all the time.

Add that to not perfect mining due to over cycles and such since you can't baby sit them all.


So the real issue is for the amount of miners you want to use your time per month is not enough.
You need to shrink down the fleet to get rid of some of those diminishing returns. (( How often the fleet has to move ))
Or you need to add more time to eve playing. 3hrs a day everyday could make this very profitable with 15 miners.

You also want to take into consideration that once you are discovered doing this people will use locator agents and watch for you to log in. I'd expect your miners ganked regular.


Recommendation:

Get yourself 8 max yield retrievers. 1 shield logi. Orca with energy transfer for the logi. 1 hauler itty 5.
This will help stop ganks or the cost of ganks. It will keep your orca in the belts.
It should also be very close to the point where diminishing returns (( due to moving )) start to really add up.
You will want to mine for 3hrs a day.

If you can not mine 3hrs a day use procurers/skiffs and have them afk mine in different belts and have them add to your daily total or for long afks have them all just mine with indy ships and come back to either a blown up cheap ship or a lot of ore every time.

No reason all the toons can't have a few different miners and the haulers so you can change as needed based on your time restrictions.

Tash'k Omar basicly described it all in his first post.

You need to go to 0.0, imo best way is to haul with freighter and refine at the station. As he said, after 8 hours your POS hangar is full and 1. compressing the ore 2. moving it to refine station is really *****.

The problem with mining in high sec is that the roids are tooooo smal, you will have to swap rocks ever 2 cycles. In 0.0 the rocks last much longer. But another problem is .... even in 0.0 you will probably mine with strip miners I and not with T2, because micro managing crystals on 15 pilots is fking insane. It will drive you mad.

Most of the corps that rent out systems set 5% tax on minerals, which is "ok". I noticed BoT charge 0% for ore refine, which is very nice.

The problem could be .... what to do with all the low ends that you produce with the new ore changes. You will have to find someone to buy them off you, or maybe produce carriers and jump them to low sec and sell.

Also tip : we had lvl 5 industry in drone lands for 4 weeks and we had 0 campers in this time .... the further from high sec you are, the lower chance of getting campers/roamers there is. Sure, the logistic can be pain, but having your system clear is much bigger priority. We were 50 jumps from closest low sec, this discouraged most of pvpers to come and try to catch someone in our system.

Thank you for all the help and for pointing out the ball ache desired to use my investment into capital bpos and move into capital construction for easier returns

Ty

Scan down icebelt/belt in lowsec, send 10 cheep retrievers, 30 min and your done

So yes, it can be very profitable.

8 hulks, freighter , carrier and rorqual boosting. All hulks anchored on carrier, freighter at range on the carrier. Use fleet hanger and transfer direct to freighter from carrier. Web on carrier to get freighter out. Works great. No special programs just active mining. Multiboxing is the way to mine. Most run when the warp in on a minning fleet and a carrier is sitting there. Also remember thats 57 mining drones active at once. Capital repper. And sentry drones. Rats no problem. Best system i have come up with yet.

Null sec mining looks rather nice now, only crappy thing still is the refining wastage but might as well still be far better than high sec since you'll sell your minerals or products based on Jita average prices + some % depending how reasonable you are or how interested you are to get immediately payed or wait a couple days/weeks.

Wouldn't say this a couple months ago but latest ores and ice changes gave null industry another dynamic, only needs now some fair trades for building stuff, better refining rates -no one shoud ever get perfect refining but atm wastage in null is another penalty on top of all other penalties you already have just by being there like logistics belt protection etc
Also more invention/research slots yadaya but, yep imho you should give it a try.