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Tengu and L4 needed Tank

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The Magnificence
Aorte
#1 - 2011-11-07 17:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: The Magnificence
Hello there,

I will be able to jump in my Tengu in few weeks, and i was looking for a good fit with DPS and Tank in order to pass through all the Caldari Navy L4.

I made this fit :

Quote:
[Tengu, LV4]
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir



342 Tank with a cycle of 1.7 sec.
601 DPS ( 2457 volley damage )
(Thats MY informations on EFT )

I was wondering if 342 tank was enough to pass through the must difficults L4.
I'm also hesitating between the Stasis Web and the Target painter, which one of these should I use ?

Fly Safe,
Mag.
Spineker
#2 - 2011-11-07 18:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
You should not need a web at all for Caldari missions. A couple hundred Precisions are better.

I would put a second small shield booster on it until you get used to it. I have not used the Pithi I use Gisti 2 of them. There are a couple of missions you can get in trouble with when webbed, WC serp 2nd room Enemy Abound 5/5 (maybe one of the hardest missions of all until you are not used to it).

A second booster will give you more tank and a web is not going to help all that much if you are getting beat down in the mission.


I tried a target painter last week and it did nothing for me. The ships orbit too close I suppose and get under the TP not sure but I tested and the damage was the same regardless of painter. Painter doesn't do much on a BS since you are already hitting with almost all damage. But a scourge precision missile whacks even interceptors in 3 volley most in 2.
Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#3 - 2011-11-07 18:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nadine Le'Slut
will be fine if you keep high transversal with your afterburner and go after tackling npc's first.
you won't get much use out of your hardeners missioning for caldari navy though, fitting mission specific hardeners will give you a better tank. (but it's optional if you keep attention)

i'm advising strongly against precisions, as you should have tech2 rigor and flare rigs fitted, making precisions obsolete with decent skills. Even when shooting spider drones.
The Magnificence
Aorte
#4 - 2011-11-07 18:11:48 UTC
Spineker wrote:
You should not need a web at all for Caldari missions. A couple hundred Precisions are better.

I would put a second small shield booster on it until you get used to it. I have not used the Pithi I use Gisti 2 of them. There are a .


Hmm ok then, Which type of the Gisti should I use ?
Because I'm not really rich Lol
Spineker
#5 - 2011-11-07 18:14:33 UTC
I use the small B type I think they are 50mil something like that it was 10 months ago when I bought them. You can use Pithi I just don't know the stats on them. They may be better than Gist I am not sure.

I think one though is going to be dangerous starting out unless it get like 160 shield points per shot. Just my opinion.
The Magnificence
Aorte
#6 - 2011-11-07 18:18:12 UTC
I tried on EFT :

- Pithi B-type Small Shield Booster = 342 Tank
- 2 Gisti C-type Small Shield Booster = 402 Tank
- 2 Gisti B-type Small Shield Booster = 421 Tank
Spineker
#7 - 2011-11-07 18:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings.

How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know
The Magnificence
Aorte
#8 - 2011-11-07 19:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: The Magnificence
Spineker wrote:
Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings.

How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know


The Pithi B-type is around 180 millions, imo, something like that. ( DON'T FORGET that i've go a Shield Boost Amplifier and a Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier T1 in my fit )
I think that in the beginning i'll fit my Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-type, just in case of a tough pocket. ( 409 sustained - 523 reinforced )

(P.S : If i desactive the AB, the Sustained Tank is 512 )
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2011-11-07 20:31:13 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings.

How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know


I've found that the cheap(ish) combination of a Gisti B-type and a Pithi C-type is surprisingly effective (for exploration, but the tank numbers should work for missions as well). The need to cram other things in the mids precludes a boost amp on that setup but it still works.

For missions, I run a NH with two Pithi B-types, no boost amp, and it never comes close to trouble. But that's a considerably more expensive option (360 mil for the tank; add on the CN BCUs you're going to want sooner than later and the package pushes well past 1bil).
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#10 - 2011-11-07 21:22:26 UTC
One thing that is important is that you really don't need to over tank. My passive shield tanked Tengu has a 135 tanked DPS and I never felt the need for more. I can easily solo Angel Extravaganza L4 Bonus Room without a second of stress.

Things to remember: if you get webbed, you're fffff... in trouble. The Tengu is a speed tank ship, so as long as you're flying at 550+ m/s you'll be fine.

Also, since the Tengu is a cruiser class ship, and its signature is so small, cruise missiles and torpedoes won't do nearly as much damage as they do to a Battleship.

For example, while a torpedo will hit a well tanked battleship for 90-110 points, it will hit the Tengu for 9-14 points.

Heavy and Light missiles are more troublesome, as they hit for about the same.

Another important thing, in a Tengu you can fly at 115kms and hit stuff. You don't need to go that far, but if you're feeling you don't wanna risk it, just fly at 40+kms from battleships and you'll be fine. Once you get comfortable, orbit those Angel pricks at 2.5kms just for laughs as they won't be able to hit you at all.

One thing about active shield tanking though, depending on where you are, some NPCs will neut you, and that means no AB, no Invs and no booster. Watch it.

Just remember: keep your speed up. If you get webbed, the ship doing that becomes top priority, in most cases.

Last but not least, target painter. Period. =)

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The Magnificence
Aorte
#11 - 2011-11-07 23:10:12 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Ahh yeah cool, good booster then I just was not familiar with it. I was cheap ass when I bought my fittings.

How much is the pithi B? I might change to one and use that other mid for something also like a web or I don't know


I've found that the cheap(ish) combination of a Gisti B-type and a Pithi C-type is surprisingly effective (for exploration, but the tank numbers should work for missions as well). The need to cram other things in the mids precludes a boost amp on that setup but it still works.

For missions, I run a NH with two Pithi B-types, no boost amp, and it never comes close to trouble. But that's a considerably more expensive option (360 mil for the tank; add on the CN BCUs you're going to want sooner than later and the package pushes well past 1bil).


Gisti B-type + Pithi C-type < Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-Type for tanking.
The 2 Pithi B-Type seems to be too much expensive to me for the moment, but i'll remember the advice Big smile .

Korgan Nailo wrote:
One thing that is important is that you really don't need to over tank. My passive shield tanked Tengu has a 135 tanked DPS and I never felt the need for more. I can easily solo Angel Extravaganza L4 Bonus Room without a second of stress.

Things to remember: if you get webbed, you're fffff... in trouble. The Tengu is a speed tank ship, so as long as you're flying at 550+ m/s you'll be fine.


If you can pass through Lvl 4 with this, I think that I'll be pretty safe in my Tengu Lol.
Korgan Nailo wrote:
Heavy and Light missiles are more troublesome, as they hit for about the same.

I just have to focus the web frigates ? Then I kill the cruisers and finally the BS ?

Do I have to keep the AB on during the whole mission ?
Where can I fit a Target painter if I have two Shield Booster ? Ugh
Pappy McGee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-08 02:49:10 UTC
From my brief experience tooling around with a legion in level 4s, yes, you want to keep the afterburner running constantly. It reduces damage significantly. My general strategy was to burn straight toward the biggest ships in the group I was aggroing, popping frigs along the way (and sometimes turning around and kiting them if I was afraid they'd get within webbing range or under my guns.)

Once the frigates are dead, you're pretty much home free. Take out the cruisers next, while you'll be able to tank the battleships pretty much indefinitely when you're right up next to them. (Armour-tanking legion and I'd often complete missions while still in my shield.) Two things to watch for. When orbiting the battleships up close it's easy to get within range of another groups aggro trigger without realising it. And do not underestimate the power of a webbing frigate. Once you're webbed, the battleships start to hurt. As for tank, I usually had ~300ish dps against whatever I was facing. Sometimes more. Sometimes less. Never really had a problem. But you've got to know the missions fairly well or you'll end up dead in a matter of seconds.

Your buffer is all but nonexistent, so once your tank starts to break, it's gonna go -fast-. As oppose to a battleship, where you can muscle through for a few straight minutes whilst taking more damage than you tank the entire time, a T3 might last just a minute or two before popping.

Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-11-08 04:49:55 UTC
I use 2x pithi c-types, only ever have one active at a time the second is to purely buy time in case of mass webbing.

3 shield hardeners, rat specific configurations.

core c-type 10mn afterburner

2x CN BCU, 2x BCUII

744 dps with implants

Everything ranges from a joke to mild annoyance.

I could drop a booster and hardener for web and painter, but haven't found a need to, nor do I expect it would improve damage against elite frigs at all. Standard frigs die in 2-3 volleys with furys.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2011-11-08 05:45:52 UTC
The Magnificence wrote:

Gisti B-type + Pithi C-type < Pithi B-Type + Gisti C-Type for tanking.
The 2 Pithi B-Type seems to be too much expensive to me for the moment, but i'll remember the advice Big smile .


Well, yeah. But the whole point was to avoid shelling out for the pricey Pithi B-type in the first place. The Pithi C/Gisti B combo costs less than a single Pithi B.
pussnheels
Viziam
#15 - 2011-11-08 07:52:17 UTC
Any of those proposed shield boosters will do just fine the real strenght of your tengu tanking is its speed , aslong you can kill off any npc tacklers first you will be able to tank just about everything within a certain range

Also you don't need a web on that tengu , you probably better of with a target painter or if you doing mostly missions vs guristas a eccm mod
just my thoughts

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Joneleth Rein
#16 - 2011-11-08 09:28:13 UTC
Actually I'm almost using the same setup cause I'm saving up for a better booster. And I can tell you it's more than enough for any missions, including c2 sleeper sites.

I use 2x gist-B type shield boost amplifiers though. Pretty cheap and useful and you'll also find that you don't need to perma -run the booster 9/10 times.

Ou. And try and save up for Caldary Ballistics....they are damn nice.

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Rutger Centemus
Joint Empire Squad
#17 - 2011-11-08 09:53:23 UTC
Spineker wrote:
*snip*
I tried a target painter last week and it did nothing for me. The ships orbit too close I suppose and get under the TP not sure but I tested and the damage was the same regardless of painter. *snip*

Step away from the glue, target painters have no tracking. The only time 'chance' gets into ewar calculations is once you're out of the optimal of the module.
Bloody Wench
#18 - 2011-11-08 10:28:55 UTC
With the Tengu, go hard or go home.
I'm tired of these **** weak tengus getting around.
The ship has so much potential all you have to do is spend a little on it.

You will never have to move, fly straight from Acc Gate to gate, shoot triggers first it makes no difference.

Blockade..shoot triggers first. Just to see how many BS you can get on the field at once.


Yes it says WH raider, but it's an old mission fit. All I did was swap AB for ECCM.
I have a +5% PG implant in there but you don't need it, can replace with Cap Gen.
Nothing is breaking this tank...ever.
It's +5% Heavy Missile implants. (All of them)

Laugh at the people scared of webbing frigates. I mean really.

[Tengu, C2 Raider]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)

Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist B-Type Photon Scattering Field
2x Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Cap Recharger II

4x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System (BUY THESE)

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Effective HP: 42,273 (Eve: 22,897)
Tank Ability: 798.12 DPS
Damage Profile - Guristas (EM: 0.00%, Ex: 0.00%, Ki: 83.63%, Th: 16.37%)
Shield Resists - EM: 73.81%, Ex: 74.13%, Ki: 84.48%, Th: 89.65%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 62.50%, Th: 86.25%

Capacitor (Stable at 39.75%)

Volley Damage: 2,823.87
DPS: 743.41


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Joneleth Rein
#19 - 2011-11-08 14:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Joneleth Rein
Bloody Wench wrote:
With the Tengu, go hard or go home.
I'm tired of these **** weak tengus getting around.
The ship has so much potential all you have to do is spend a little on it.


Well everyone must start somewhere and even they have to discuss their fits even if it's a t2 basic. Don't be so elitist.

Not that what Bloody said isn't right. The tengu needs shinies to show it's full potential.

The started I used was similar to this.


[Tengu, Basic]

Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate

x6 HML T2

Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]

I'd suggest you go directly for 2x Riggor IIs (only around 52mil both) and an Extender for rigs which is my preference and what I went for. But it needs tight fitting skills so put whatever you feel comfortable with. Obviously...Don't fly it unrigged and try to go for t2 rigs.

the 2x Gist-b you can find them around 100mil and the Fed AB is around 27ish.

You never really worry about tank and usually I don't even bother fitting rat specific resists cause it doesn't make a difference. You can draw aggro from the whole room and still yawn and if you'r bored of speed-tanking you can lose the ab and be stable with the booster running. Orbiting range also proved laughable cause I usually just orbited the next acc gate at 1km and went through the miriads of targets. Webbing frigates are a little annoying but they are dealt with in a timely fashion by a group of Scourge Fury Heavy Missiles. Plus with the rigors you go with Furies which is a cheap ammo for l4s compared to navy missiles.

Once you grab the caldari ballistics (first priority) you can lose the CPU subsystem for the dissolution siquence and don't bother anymore with eccm or if you'r that annoyed you can lose the AB and go for an ECCM.

Edited. Sort of implied but the tengu should be flown at close to all subs level 5. it takes around 15 days...it's worth it. Offensive/Engineering/Defensive should be at 5 de facto.

Spider Pig! Spider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig.

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#20 - 2011-11-08 14:23:28 UTC
Yeah this needed a new thread Roll

God forbid you pubbies actually do some research before frantically posting a thread asking for someone to hold your hand.
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