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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#841 - 2011-11-07 20:19:31 UTC
Che Biko wrote:

Nice troll there, I'll bite: It is clear to people who actually read this thread and count the likes that it's more like the opposite.


again: cause likes matter........

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#842 - 2011-11-07 20:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.

































I have 680 likes so I must be right.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#843 - 2011-11-07 21:10:00 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.


I have 680 likes so I must be right.


Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.

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Rocco Battaglia
Rocco's New Legacy
#844 - 2011-11-07 21:20:18 UTC
BTW, guys its not like WIS is not coming its just being delayed 2 expansions. I want WIS myself and have been waiting for it to come, but at the moment I will just have to wait longer. The hole reason it was delayed this time was to make the FIS poeple happy by giving the some of the things they want, then back to working on WIS. So its only delayed till next winter at the most, because most of the work is done. So do what I'm doing and wait for it. I do like the up coming changes coming this winter and its going to kick ass. And we will get the 2nd part of it in the summer, then I be leave WIS comes after. Have to make the FIS baby's happy first, lol.

I suport CCP, and I can't wait till I can meet you guys in the bar.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#845 - 2011-11-07 22:09:44 UTC
Rocco Battaglia wrote:
So its only delayed till next winter at the most,


Unacceptable.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Idami Raptor
Xoth Inc
The Monarchy
#846 - 2011-11-07 22:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Idami Raptor
I think we need to reappropriate the term 'Incarna'. Simply put, the 'Incarna' expansion was NOT Incarna: it was such a small fraction of what we were all told Incarna was going to be it's not even close to the same. So why use a seperate term for the unreleased majority of it?

That's the real problem with it: No real content. It's also why the NEX is in trouble: nobody else but you can see most of your fancy, expensive clothes, so why buy them?

The answer to that is pretty simple: Don't give in to the marketing, and keep referring to 'Incarna' as the unreleased feature that it actually is. They need a good slap upside the face for pulling that one, frankly, and that'd be a good way of accomplishing it.
Travis J Penken
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#847 - 2011-11-07 23:16:18 UTC
Ranka, I think it's you who can't seperate Incarna from NEXt.

I never in my post complained about the store, i frankly dont give a damn about what people spend their money on, as long as it's vanity items, witch CCP failed to communicate, utterly.

The lack of any content for the Captains Quater is what pissed everyone off. I unsubbed, been gone since summer and just came back to find this thread. The point is, what WAS released as the INCARNA release was utter crap. What we players EXPECTED was not crap.
Other issue: PI expansion was utter crap - we players didnt EXPECT utter crap.

Combine the 2 latest updates, PI and WIS as "content" upgrades for 18 months in this game, and the sum of those 2 failures to deliver anything playable/enjoyable/content, compared to what we were let believe we got, that is where CCP failed to deliver... Again.

The real travesty is, that most players (including myself) was looking forward to WiS, but what we got was far from those expectations.

What may keep me in this game is not WiS however, even though I was a huge fan of Babylon V and Deep Space 9 series, i could have fun on a spacestaion, im sure.
What kept me watchin those series was not the stations though, it was the epic battles with ... spaceships. While the WiS may have some interresting sidestorys attached to it, the main story still plays out in space, not in stations.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#848 - 2011-11-08 00:21:13 UTC
I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).

CCP. How dead is WiS?
Jita Alt666
#849 - 2011-11-08 00:38:39 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).

CCP. How dead is WiS?



AS dead as WOD. Straight How dead is WOD?
Tristan North
The Scope
#850 - 2011-11-08 02:49:00 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
I really wish CCP would comment on this thread already. A large proportion of players clearly want WiS (but not at the expense of FiS obviously).

CCP. How dead is WiS?


CCP Phantom wrote:


We all love EVE and it is pretty sure that there are so many good ways for expansion. As far as I understand it is less about if but when we are going to do all these things. In the upcoming winter expansion we are going to release the three racial Captains quarters, new ships, features and a lot of stuff.


That's it, not very clear though.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#851 - 2011-11-08 02:59:17 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP.

No they don't.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#852 - 2011-11-08 02:59:45 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.


I have 680 likes so I must be right.


Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.

Is irony always lost on you?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Taiwanistan
#853 - 2011-11-08 03:24:05 UTC
Ranka Mei wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
My source is SiSi, which still can't support more than 1 avatar in an area at once.
The Incarna engine is still a long, long way from being able to support gameplay. This isn't in dispute. it's a simple evident fact.

'Fact' has a funny way of being perceived differently by different people. :)

I have a reasonably decent rig (i7 980X, GTX 580, 12G RAM). And my computer rips thru Incarna like a knife thru butter (everything maxed out @ 1920x1200). I recall some bitter lamenting -- especially from the Russian botting community - about their old video cards not being able to handle it; but I tell you, though, a modern GFX card, inside a modern PC, has no problem with Incarna whatsoever. And I have yet to see it behave buggy on me.

Ironically, I guess it's all part of the same deal: much like EVE needs to evolve, sometimes people need to upgrade their hardware too. Progress is the law eternal.

P.S. Not to start a whole sh*tstorm again over people's vid cards allegedly frying and all; but this thread is full of people saying Incarna is barely even beta, and I thought it would be a good idea to point that those with decent hardware can actually run Incarna just fine. Just sayin'.


i know right? you stupid peasant noobs without i7 980x, gtx580 should just gtfo of eve wow is that way ---->

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Tristan North
The Scope
#854 - 2011-11-08 03:29:22 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP.

No they don't.

Really?
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#855 - 2011-11-08 03:30:06 UTC
Tristan North wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
A large proportion of players clearly want WiS CCP.

No they don't.

Really?



No joke.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Valkris Arkayne
Perkone
Caldari State
#856 - 2011-11-08 05:54:09 UTC
CCP also needs to consider the vote of players NOT currently playing EVE, or never have... they have a greater vote than those who are already involved because they represent untapped potential. CCP should be looking at what everyone who isn't already paying and figure out what it would take to bring them in, then work towards capitalizing on those markets in a way that is friendly to their Intellectual Property and expand.

You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. It's the people that aren't yet paying that CCP needs to entice into joining. Like it or not, 'space barbies' is very attractive to new players and solid character gameplay can really sell a game.

(Yes, I know I said 'solid' gameplay. Incarna needs RELEVANT gameplay before it will keep players hooked).
Jita Alt666
#857 - 2011-11-08 06:22:31 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Yeah if your argument is reliant on the number of forum "Likes" you receive it's probably time to throw in the towel.


I have 680 likes so I must be right.


Having your own alts go back and 'Like' all of your posts doesn't count.



Well that explains your likes away then.
mkint
#858 - 2011-11-08 06:50:47 UTC
Valkris Arkayne wrote:
CCP also needs to consider the vote of players NOT currently playing EVE, or never have... they have a greater vote than those who are already involved because they represent untapped potential. CCP should be looking at what everyone who isn't already paying and figure out what it would take to bring them in, then work towards capitalizing on those markets in a way that is friendly to their Intellectual Property and expand.

You and I are already customers; we've paid our dues and they 'have' us as fans. It's the people that aren't yet paying that CCP needs to entice into joining. Like it or not, 'space barbies' is very attractive to new players and solid character gameplay can really sell a game.

(Yes, I know I said 'solid' gameplay. Incarna needs RELEVANT gameplay before it will keep players hooked).

While you do make some good points, you're still missing one key thing:

Retention

Space Barbies needs AT LEAST another 2+ years of development to even begin to retain people by it's own merits. EVE, on the other hand was broken 2 years ago, and still doesn't look like it's really getting fixed this winter. EVE has a churn rate of about 6 months, which isn't very long. I've known lots and lots of people who have tried EVE (that I did not meet in-game) but I'm the only person I've ever met IRL that has stuck with it. If their churn rate was 3 years instead of 6 months, CCP could afford to ignore FIS more, and we would be in the millions of subscribers.

Now, I don't expect Winter to fix EVE. They didn't really start working on it until just a few weeks ago. In fact, with Winter, I'm just watching close to make sure CCP doesn't screw anything up too badly (and there have already been a few red flags.) What I still desperately want to know are the plans for Summer. That's when we'll know if CCP ever really plans to fix EVE.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#859 - 2011-11-08 06:53:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


lol, first you ask players to post how WiS could add new game content to eve and when they do, you don't want to see it and just continue with your rant. That type of reaction and attitude along with your statement about wet dreams due to WiS tears is largely viewed as a pre-teen mentality. Definitely not the actions associated with a mature adult or someone that's been playing this game since what, 2003? Yeah, right.

By the way, this is my main character. I don't hide behind a forum posting alt.


Of course, I am going to ask those that are for WiS when I am not and you are absolutely right, I don't see much point in them because the suggestions frankly scream "by roleplayers for roleplayers" and they do sound like wet dreams... like my wet dream of dropping bombs in empire.

So if I go by your logic now, if I had a 2003 character, I would have a little more weight behind it and since Alpheias is from 2009, my account possibly cannot? BRB then - going to buy a 2003 character. Great logic there by the way.Roll

Oh, for the record, nor do I hide behind a alt.

Che Biko wrote:


I have, actually. I wonder what made think otherwise. I think you completely missed the point of the video I linked and in compensating for that you link two videos with the apparent purpose being to demonstrate that you think EVE should be 90% pew-pew...in your very own, might I add, subjective opinion.
Yeah I know, I mean here we are, all witing down our opinions. In general, opinions are subjective. Do we have to state the obvious?


I think it is you that are reading too much into a trailer of a possible future for a sci-fi MMO. What is obvious is that it hasn't really sunk in for you yet but my very subjective opinion of pewpew is shared by many, and by those at CCP and is going to be the focus now. Beg again for WiS in 18 months or so.

Che Biko wrote:

Your comment about reading a novel to get the complete sci-fi universe is about as useful as me suggesting you to watch those videos you linked to get your FiS fix.


Don't hate me because you lack imagination.

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Valkris Arkayne
Perkone
Caldari State
#860 - 2011-11-08 07:02:32 UTC
mkint wrote:
... you're still missing one key thing:

Retention

Space Barbies needs AT LEAST another 2+ years of development to even begin to retain people by it's own merits...


Fair enough. And agreed.

Incarna can't succeed or hope to maintain new customers if there isn't RELEVANT gameplay. Not just dress-up, but something to do that will engage new players for a year or more. We all agree that Incarna wasn't ready, and even diehard WiS supporters such as myself were sorely disappointed. The refocus on FiS is a good strategy in the short-term, as long as CCP keeps one eye on the long-term growth of EVE.