Wormholes

This is my understanding of the current game mechanics:

Close all WH's in your system, and a new static WH spawns. Unless you warp to that new static WH, it does NOT spawn a K162.

At this point, you know there are no entrances into your wormhole, providing you with a "safety net".

Essentially, the only "hostiles" you need to worry about are those already in system.

While it is possible that a new incoming WH's will spawn, you know very quickly that new pilots have arrived as it results in a new signature instantly appearing on your scanner.

Is this "safety net" a good thing?

Your understanding of wormhole spawn mechanics and how to shut your system down is pretty much spot on.

Providing yourself with a "safety net" is up for debate really and dependent on the class of wormhole you reside in.

If you are bearing in a class 1-3 wormhole the sleepers do not scram but if you are doing pve inside a C4-C6 then they do. Also the fact carriers/dreads are used inside them which could be in triage/siege when a wormhole opens up to them makes things still very risky even though you have closed off all exits and entrances.

So no shutting down your system does not make you totally immune to attack and that's exactly how it should be in my eyes.

I would say it's largely irrelevant whether it is good or bad. The mechanic is identical to every other cosmic entity. No entity "exists" until warped to. Including anoms, ore sites etc. Which is why in effect they all last indefinitely until someone warps to them and "activates" the site, at which point the despawn timer starts counting down.

So essentially to change it for wormholes would likely require a rewrite of code that is used for cosmic sites all over new eden. I'd suspect we will get POS overhauls before they did anything like this.

Is that the most common method to hunt in WH's?

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2010/05/03/the-danger-when-you-dont-know/
Refer to paragraph 2.

From what I've seen, this can be delayed. Don't count on Odyssey doing your work for you, and put out a probe or two that can cover your whole system, and periodically check for new signatures.

But the claim is not that ALL wormholes now spawn their k162 by themselves. Only that SOME may do so, randomly triggered. So you'd still find plenty of fresh wormholes that were only just activated by you.

This should be very easy to do if CCP wanted... they'd just need to write a simple procedure that picks a certain number or percentage of the currently non-activated wormholes in the game and activates them. A dev could probably code this in like one hour.

Well, if this change was not made, it SHOULD be made. CCP, go for it if you haven't done it already!

Congratulations, you've just killed any PvE activities in wormholes, and consequently, any people who like to hunt PvEers will have no more targets.

Good job!

I've previously posted how much I loathe the fact that people now have even greater early warning of when a K162 opens to them, as it gives them a chance to hide in their towers much sooner than they previously would.

I feel quite ambivalent towards this proposal. On one hand I really like the idea of never being able to completely disconnect a system, but on the other hand it increases the early warning that victims get even more.

The entities that hunt by chain collapsing are going to have an even harder time finding targets, but the small gangs that simply roam are going to find more people too. How can we keep chain collapsing to find site runners viable, and at the same time prevent systems ever being disconnected? Connect the K162 when the static spawns, and remove wormholes from the discovery scanner. Revert to them only being discoverable with probes.



Nah, wormhole spawning is special, since it chains the death of one signature with the spawn of a new one. Just hijack that process and throw a pretend warp at the new sig when its spawned.



We sure do. Now stop trying to be safe in wormholes.



No you don't



Its triggered by several things. The discovery scanner is one. Scanning with probes is another. But also when a signature despawns it triggers an update, which is why when you collapse your static the new signature appears instantly as the old one despawns.


I'll leave you with a tidbit of information. It wasn't always known that the K162 was only spawned when warp was initiated to a new wormhole, back in 2009 there was quite a lot of debate on the subject. So how was it discovered that the K162 only spawns when a wormhole is warped to for the first time? Well, once upon a time, it was possible for a wormhole to connect to itself, and a bunch of brave souls living in a C6 blackhole with a C6 static ended up connecting to themselves, but the signature for the incoming wormhole was not present until the static was warped to. The end.