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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-19 14:20:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
...I ...uhh ...wait, what was the question again? Shocked



flippin ell falcon i clicked on the image and nearly got smacked in the face by them woooaaa there

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#22 - 2013-06-19 14:29:34 UTC
Lol CCP falcon, you actually made me lol.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-19 14:29:50 UTC
Jove Death wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
...I ...uhh ...wait, what was the question again? Shocked



flippin ell falcon i clicked on the image and nearly got smacked in the face by them woooaaa there


Confirming that link gave me two black eyes.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#24 - 2013-06-19 14:34:24 UTC
This thread is t!ts!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#25 - 2013-06-19 14:37:28 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Of course CCP Soundwave can't distinguish between entertainment and torture. He probably thinks they're the same thing.


*Cough* Goon *cough*.

I love them tough I'm not playing their games. Missa isn't masochistic.
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-19 14:45:04 UTC
Surprised CCP Soundwave has not installed a mini game for research agents to create data cores...

"Solve this Soduku puzzle within the next three minutes and I will give you a shiny new core!"
Haulie Berry
#27 - 2013-06-19 14:48:39 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.


No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#28 - 2013-06-19 14:49:15 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
Surprised CCP Soundwave has not installed a mini game for research agents to create data cores...

"Solve this Soduku puzzle within the next three minutes and I will give you a shiny new core!"


Half of those puzzles will be guarenteed to fail, but not a bad idea to use it as a item sink.
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#29 - 2013-06-19 14:51:55 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.


No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.



Then how do you do it? You explore the nodes, you'll find a Restorative Node. You can either ignore and hope to find a buff item and then remove it, or remove it at first sight.

Then you continue exploring the nodes and find another Restorative Node, fine, you kill it and are now stuck with low health. You continue in hoping to find some buffs/heals but damn, you just find another Restorative Node while exploring.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#30 - 2013-06-19 15:00:17 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.


Yeah, no.

Some of these puzzles are quite literally impossible. You can't complete them in a covops with max skill, rigs, and implants. Because of so many Restorative nodes coming up on the same map, there simply is not enough coherence available to you to defeat them all, ever. I have little doubt that there is some refinement that needs to take place in the minigame code, probably scheduled for the next exploration overhaul in late 2017.
Ellumielle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-06-19 15:00:27 UTC
Restorative nodes are OP. It's like minesweeper without numbers. In high sec on the other hand it's little more than a clickfest. You'd have to be extremely dumb or unlucky to fail a hack there.
Haulie Berry
#32 - 2013-06-19 15:04:01 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.


No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.



Then how do you do it? You explore the nodes, you'll find a Restorative Node. You can either ignore and hope to find a buff item and then remove it, or remove it at first sight.

Then you continue exploring the nodes and find another Restorative Node, fine, you kill it and are now stuck with low health. You continue in hoping to find some buffs/heals but damn, you just find another Restorative Node while exploring.



You're confusing your impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible.

And, again: You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes. I have not popped more than 5% of the top tier cans I've found. This seems pretty reasonable to me.
JD No7
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#33 - 2013-06-19 15:09:35 UTC
In nullsec I fail about 1 in 20 of these twice in a row.

OP is doing it wrong.
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#34 - 2013-06-19 15:13:59 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.


No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.



Then how do you do it? You explore the nodes, you'll find a Restorative Node. You can either ignore and hope to find a buff item and then remove it, or remove it at first sight.

Then you continue exploring the nodes and find another Restorative Node, fine, you kill it and are now stuck with low health. You continue in hoping to find some buffs/heals but damn, you just find another Restorative Node while exploring.



You're confusing your impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible.

And, again: You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes. I have not popped more than 5% of the top tier cans I've found. This seems pretty reasonable to me.


You just proved my own point thanks.

"You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes" = "impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible"
Haulie Berry
#35 - 2013-06-19 15:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
The problem I am having is some node maps are just impossible to do, no matter how you play.

I have higher chances killing a Titan in my Rifter then clearing a node map with 5 restorative nodes.


No, not impossible, but it is intentional that you *will* occasionally lose a can here or there.



Then how do you do it? You explore the nodes, you'll find a Restorative Node. You can either ignore and hope to find a buff item and then remove it, or remove it at first sight.

Then you continue exploring the nodes and find another Restorative Node, fine, you kill it and are now stuck with low health. You continue in hoping to find some buffs/heals but damn, you just find another Restorative Node while exploring.



You're confusing your impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible.

And, again: You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes. I have not popped more than 5% of the top tier cans I've found. This seems pretty reasonable to me.


You just proved my own point thanks.

"You're SUPPOSED to lose sometimes" = "impossible *path* through the map with the map itself being literally impossible"


No, you will lose on simple probability sometimes, because the path you take works out poorly. That doesn't make the map literally impossible.

The only thing that would make the map impossible is if there were no mathematical way to complete it even with knowledge of node positions. Alternatively: If the probability of completing the map is exactly 0%, the map is impossible.

That's the definition of an impossible map. I have yet to see a single map that was impossible, and I strongly suspect the node distribution algorithm was designed to be incapable of generating such a map.

So, again, you're confusing, "I followed a path that didn't work out," with, "This map is impossible." Roll
Haulie Berry
#36 - 2013-06-19 15:29:08 UTC
Also, just looking at the map you posted in your OP, that was quite obviously not a mathematically impossible map at the outset.

It just turned out that you took a lot of wrong turns.

Welcome to Rogue-likes.
Hernan Johuihen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-19 15:35:43 UTC
i have mmm 2 , 3 fucks? but i dont even give one
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#38 - 2013-06-19 15:38:25 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Also, just looking at the map you posted in your OP, that was quite obviously not a mathematically impossible map at the outset.

It just turned out that you took a lot of wrong turns.

Welcome to Rogue-likes.


I didn't take wrong turns. I was in need of heals and buffs to recover health in order to attack the core. But I kept finding the wrong nodes. Impossible to break them.


I also had a node map where there was only 1 path from the start where I was forced to attack 2 firewalls, leaving me with low health. The next node on the path was a supression firewall. I failed that node map obviously and was indeed impossible to solve.
Marrnius DeLeon
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#39 - 2013-06-19 15:45:49 UTC
Laura Ravencroft wrote:
It's a Mini Game. This is EVE now World of Warcraft. We don't use face roll mechanics here to get epic gear. We actually work towards our Epic L33T ships and Toys in them.
You want hand outs go back to Warcraft. If not Welcome to EVE it's a game of Patience, and Chess combined.


Patience and Persistence™
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#40 - 2013-06-19 15:55:15 UTC
Complaining about a mini game in eve online...that is some tears right there. Good job CCP.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka