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I totally just became a "Holder", but it's inconvenient. What to do?

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-06-19 11:07:42 UTC
Thats the ' it's not always easy part' The republic tries but is by no means perfect. We didn't have the easiest start and we still have a long way to go.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-06-19 11:19:50 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
In contrary to what many think the republic welcomes all freed slaves...


They certainly do. All freed slaves are welcome. Because, to the wall with refugee camps bursting their banks! To the winds with rampant crime and plague among the overcrowded, underfed liberated once they are in the walls of the Republic.

After all, the Republics infrastructure won't support you when she gave you your freedom? Your freedom to live, so long as you conform to their Tribal ideals and don't practice any religion that they cannot tolerate. Your freedom to be abused by the criminal exploiters that thrive on making recruits out of freshly transported slaves and also your freedom to refuse and die of malnutrition or exposure.

No, damnation. Damnation is all you offer this slave, Kraiklyn; not only would you damn this slave for eternity once his body has perished, you would damn him in physical life to a living that no man should have to endure. You do not require faith to appreciate this, pup. Look me in the eyes and say that with all that is transpiring around you that you can truly say that the Republic is the best answer for anybody.

Please, I beseech you, reach deep within yourself and find me an answer. Internalize it if you lack the gall to share it with me, but seek out your honest conclusions all the same. I await you with bated breath.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#43 - 2013-06-19 11:47:29 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Thats the ' it's not always easy part' The republic tries but is by no means perfect. We didn't have the easiest start and we still have a long way to go.


I believe "it's not always easy and not perfect" is the best euphemism I've ever heard for "let's welcome all and then crack their skulls open because they are different and not buying our empty nationalism".

Don't try to preach bigotry and religious racism under a (very thin) veil of tolerance and open hands.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#44 - 2013-06-19 11:48:59 UTC
AND bringing things back on topic....

I notice nobody from PIE put their hand up to take the slave, so I was just going to contract him to a random PIE member.... but I couldn't create the contract because slaves are apparently illegal in some areas (weird, I know)... so I'll just randomly try and grab one of you folks sometime soon when I get a chance.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2013-06-19 11:59:32 UTC
And yet still they come. Shows you what monsters you are. Of course it not easy to taking in millions of traumatized, often illiterate or drugaddicted people. You should be ashame of yourself Halete. Still we do what we can, you don't. Despite it all our efforts are not enough, but not by a lack of ill will or disregard of human life, can the amarr say the same? No. You murder defenseless people with pride. You know you could help.. donate to the republic, provide supplies and work on education, equality and help create a better world. Your actions speak louder than words, Amarr is dependent on itsslaves and if all your slaves turned into good religious people you would still treat them like dirt, beat them and kill them. Thats what you do after all, but I beat it's easy for you to ignore, you probably have people beating them for you or you just keep them drugged out of their mind. And woe anythat wouldnt convert, they arnoff even worse, **** and murder being the standard not the exception, relgious tolerance is only a one way street right?
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#46 - 2013-06-19 12:08:59 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
And yet still they come. Shows you what monsters you are.


The only thing it's showing is the efficiency of Republic's propaganda machine.
But you know, it would be kind of hypocritical of me to complain, since they usually come to us next, after realizing 'freedom' doesn't feed hungry mouths.



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Despite it all our efforts are not enough, but not by a lack of ill will or disregard of human life, can the amarr say the same? No. You murder defenseless people with pride. You know you could help.. donate to the republic, provide supplies and work on education, equality and help create a better world. Your actions speak louder than words, Amarr is dependent on itsslaves and if all your slaves turned into good religious people you would still treat them like dirt, beat them and kill them. Thats what you do after all, but I beat it's easy for you to ignore, you probably have people beating them for you or you just keep them drugged out of their mind. And woe anythat wouldnt convert, they arnoff even worse, **** and murder being the standard not the exception, relgious tolerance is only a one way street right?


You know, halfway through your little speech, I lost track of whether you were talking about the Empire or the Republic. Look yourself a bit closer in the mirror, Republican; you might be more similar to that which you hate than you'd like to admit.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-06-19 12:21:02 UTC
Kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
And yet still they come.


Come? They are kidnapped.

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Shows you what monsters you are. Of course it not easy to taking in millions of traumatized, often illiterate or drugaddicted people. You should be ashame of yourself Halete. Still we do what we can, you don't.


My humanitarian initiative is still live. I have had to lay off almost my entire workforce due to the threat they would face working in Republic territories under the employment of somebody of my faith. If you're going to call me a monster I would sincerely ask you to at least wait until the ink is dry on the death threats your comrades have been sending to the families of my charity workers.

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Despite it all our efforts are not enough, but not by a lack of ill will or disregard of human life, can the amarr say the same?


The Empire is providing a much more comfortable and fulfilling lives to Minmatar and only out of good will and regard for the sanctity of life and soul.

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No. You murder defenseless people with pride. You know you could help.. donate to the republic, provide supplies and work on education, equality and help create a better world...

...


You're not really very much clued in about what you're talking about or who you're talking to, are you? I have been an advocant for better infrastructure and more relief efforts in the Republic for a long time. I'm also interested in when I have killed a defenseless person with pride, do enlighten me.

Now if you're quite done blowing hot air, shut your slipshod mouth and seek the answer I requested of you, you bellicose dog.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-06-19 13:24:45 UTC
Kidnapped, yes that is how you obtained those slaves. Liberated or released, or free by their own means, but definitely not kidnapped. You seem so desperate for sympathy. You talk nice and wear shiny jewels but its slaves doing your work for you. Have bothered checking how long the average slave lives in those mines where they get you your shiny stuff?
I see a lot of empty words and not a lot of action, you claim so much yet... nothing.
Repeating your lies over and over won't change the reality. I say drugging and beating, you say saving his soul.
I will never accept your 'answer'

I won't waste further words on you, I hope the lady will do what is best for the man or woman for the human she found. Because that is what a slave is a person. Not yours to own and his soul is not yours to save.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2013-06-19 13:31:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
AND bringing things back on topic....

I notice nobody from PIE put their hand up to take the slave, so I was just going to contract him to a random PIE member.... but I couldn't create the contract because slaves are apparently illegal in some areas (weird, I know)... so I'll just randomly try and grab one of you folks sometime soon when I get a chance.


Patience is a virtue, Cpt. Kim. I suggest you join the public channel of PIE and get into contact with one of the officers. If you find nobody else, contract the poor person to me and I'll see to it that everything goes it's due course. It'd be appreciated if you could transport the person in question to Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy station.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-06-19 13:40:09 UTC
I volunteer to take in this individual as well, I can provide him with every oppertunity to a free life, or better ask him/her what he/she prefers. I can provide for transport as well.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-06-19 13:43:01 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:

I won't waste further words on you.


More wild claims and futile attacks, then this?

Should I take your reluctance to answer as agreement, then?

Very good. Hopefully you will linger on this conversation and perhaps with time come to realize the mistakes you have made.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#52 - 2013-06-19 14:02:20 UTC
Halete wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:

I won't waste further words on you.


More wild claims and futile attacks, then this?

Should I take your reluctance to answer as agreement, then?

Very good. Hopefully you will linger on this conversation and perhaps with time come to realize the mistakes you have made.


A lost little girl. I wonder, I wonder very much whether you shall ever find a home.

**Vherokior **

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-06-19 14:11:44 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:

A lost little girl. I wonder, I wonder very much whether you shall ever find a home.


I had thought that members of your corporation weren't so insubstantial. Consider my impression duly updated.

Now are you going to offer something copacetic or are you merely seeking acclaim from the sidelines?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg
Like Oh My Gosh I Totally Have A Corp Now
#54 - 2013-06-19 14:46:09 UTC
Would he like to work on my ship or something? It's okay I've done like baby sitting before I'd like totally cool for like keeping him company and stuff if he doesn't speak the language my other crew guys do. And like, he'd get like a salary and stuff and I carry like, up to 875,000,000 cans of Quafe on a trip!

Chilled Quafe™, accept no refreshment substitute. For all of you affluent Capsuleer-types, Quafe Elite™ restaraunts can be found at many stations! Only got a few minutes to spare before that fleet-op? Swing by QuafeSnacks™ for the full taste-experience you've come to expect from Quafe, on the go!

kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-06-19 14:55:00 UTC
I think he'd like that. Did you know slaves don't get quafe...I bet he'd like quafe.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-19 15:52:07 UTC
Slaves don't get Quafe because there are some cruelties even the Amarr aren't reprehensible enough to stoop to.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#57 - 2013-06-19 16:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
Halete wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:

A lost little girl. I wonder, I wonder very much whether you shall ever find a home.


I had thought that members of your corporation weren't so insubstantial. Consider my impression duly updated.

Now are you going to offer something copacetic or are you merely seeking acclaim from the sidelines?


We all come from a homeland Ms Muerto. I felt I should express my sadness at the anger you feel. I should be very sad, and most apologetic if you misinterpreted that as ill will. I bear none for either you or your faith.

**Vherokior **

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#58 - 2013-06-19 16:31:24 UTC
((Doublepost, ignonre))

**Vherokior **

Liberty Roach
October Country
#59 - 2013-06-19 17:50:11 UTC
Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Liberty Roach wrote:
Heya, Kimmie!

You know, it looks to me like you is seriously overthinking this one. What I think you should do is hire yourself a good number two bloke. First mate, XO, office manager, personal secretary, consigliere, butler with benefits, whatever you fancy calling the job. Then, whenever you get a problem like this, just write a post-it note or whatever saying "this is a problem, sort it out", stick the note on the problem and send its arse right to number two's desk. Then never think of it again.


That just means you'll then have to read posts on here from him instead of me.

Nah, you can still come here and vent about how he's doing stuff wrong, yeah? There's a solution to every comptumdrum, you see? (Come drum drum? Where's the spelling check on this arsebucket pad? Farking bestower-baron secondhand rubbish, that pike-nicky prolly pulled it off a rogue drone.)
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#60 - 2013-06-19 17:53:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
And yet still they come. Shows you what monsters you are. Of course it not easy to taking in millions of traumatized, often illiterate or drugaddicted people. You should be ashame of yourself Halete. Still we do what we can, you don't. Despite it all our efforts are not enough, but not by a lack of ill will or disregard of human life, can the amarr say the same? No. You murder defenseless people with pride. You know you could help.. donate to the republic, provide supplies and work on education, equality and help create a better world. Your actions speak louder than words, Amarr is dependent on itsslaves and if all your slaves turned into good religious people you would still treat them like dirt, beat them and kill them. Thats what you do after all, but I beat it's easy for you to ignore, you probably have people beating them for you or you just keep them drugged out of their mind. And woe anythat wouldnt convert, they arnoff even worse, **** and murder being the standard not the exception, relgious tolerance is only a one way street right?


You can only preach the propaganda you've been raised on about the Empire. You know nothing about what slavery in the Empire is really like.

Slaves are not killed on a whim. The murder of a slave is never an appropriate punishment except in the most serious of circumstances, such as when that slave murders his lord. To kill a slave who has not converted is to damn their soul, which is opposite of the goals of the institution.

Slaves are beaten. As are commoners, holders, and any other Imperial citizen who has committed a crime. Unlike the other empires, in Amarr physical force is a respected and valid punishment for crimes, for both slaves and non slaves. Feeling pain is important for teaching someone not to commit sin and crime again, because it teaches them, like putting one's hand in a fire or cutting one's finger on a knife, that wrong actions have painful consequences and so should be avoided.

Most slaves are not illiterate. We are given education, principally spiritual education but also other education as is fitting for our occupations. Being literate is required for much of that. The goal of slavery is to educate slaves.

Most slaves are not drugged, not anymore. Vitoc was an improper tool, too quickly relied upon by Holders who been tempted to sloth, but now it is being phased out in favor of more traditional methods. In contrast, the Republic is infested with drugs and doesn't even prosecute them except in their highest security systems.

The Amarr don't disregard life. They regard life, and the soul, higher than anyone else in the cluster.

You've been brainwashed by Republic propaganda. Those of us who have actually been slaves know how we were treated by our lords. And the truth is that the majority of released slaves choose to stay in the Empire, because it's our real home. The only ones that go to the Republic are the most stubborn and irredeemable of us, so consumed by their pride that they would rather sin and force their masters to treat them harshly than to ever submit. The trauma they have endured was brought on themselves, by their own actions.

Miss Ji-Young giving that slave back to the Empire is a better fate for that slave than to release him to the Republic.