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After-Action Report, Haatomo, YC115.06.18

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2013-06-19 08:16:10 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
I am disappointed that despite temporarily ceasing my operations in deep space so that I may be on hand in case my assistance is necessary, I was not actually called upon wile out of my pod.

I will remain vigilant for the fugitive.


Yes im sure you are disappointed Kraid. We have heard many times how you would like to put your hands around Heth's throat and murder him.

I won't deny this fact. It would bring me great pleasure to end the life of the man who has been slowly working to destroy the State and the Caldari way of life and who is responsible for countless deaths including the personal murder of a Caldari hero.
It is, however, much more important to me that his madness be stopped somehow by somebody even if I don't get to do it personally (which is an extreme unlikelyhood). The State wants him alive, and I am loyal to State, and it's that loyalty that brought me back to Caldari Sovereignty rather than my hatred for Heth.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-19 08:45:16 UTC
His psych profile's all wrong for going Sansha on us. Heth seems to be utterly obsessed with the Gallente and with Home, and he appears to lack a sense of moderation, or of his own limits.

More likely the Dragonaurs are going to go underground and start bombing civilian targets, probably both Gallentean and CEP. We may wind up seeing them pop up on security missions around the cluster, maybe not.

We'll see how it goes.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#23 - 2013-06-19 09:23:18 UTC
I wasn't personally at the scene, but one of my Archangels was and submitted a report afterwards.

Lovely show, all I can say. Bra-vo.
Can't wait to see how this will unfold.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-06-19 09:35:59 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
...start bombing civilian targets, probably both Gallentean...

Do you care about gallenteans?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-19 09:53:59 UTC
Yes, I do.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#26 - 2013-06-19 10:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Vachon
((Nevermind, bye IGS))

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#27 - 2013-06-19 11:00:50 UTC
If the CEP think they will be able to end the war and sign a peace deal with the Federation, i believe they are gravely mistaken and may yet come to regret their actions against the State Executor.

Jacus Roden and Blaque's peace table with the Caldari State is not the removal of Heth from the State Executor and the CEP, but the unconditional surrender and annexation of the Caldari State back into the Federation. That is their peace table and Heth knew it.

Heth was a hero of State. He wanted to unite the megacoporations and make the State stronger. He knew the only way to end the war was to defeat the Federation militarily. Heth was a threat to the political power of the CEO's of the megacorporations, who in the end brought him down and stopped him from fulfilling his legacy of defeating the Federation and retaking Caldari Prime.

Heth still has support in the State if he can regroup and make comeback we will stand and fight by his side.

How long before Roden and Blaque tear up the agreement with the CEO appeasors over Caldari Prime, now one of their greatest threats has been neutered. If they do the people will shout from the rooftops for his return. Heth the Victor

I am no threat to the Chief Executive Panel. I have done nothing wrong. I am not a fanatic, collaborator or a criminal. So i shall return home and carry on to run the family business.



Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-19 11:13:34 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
If I were a dictator as shrewd as Heth was, then I would have a backup force ready in case my primary plan failed.


See, of all the impressions I have ever had of the man, "shrewd" was not among them.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-19 12:18:50 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Jacus Roden and Blaque's peace table with the Caldari State is not the removal of Heth from the State Executor and the CEP, but the unconditional surrender and annexation of the Caldari State back into the Federation. That is their peace table and Heth knew it.

If you honestly believe any of that gibberish is true, you are completely ignorant of political reality.

Annex the Caldari State? Do you honestly think the Federation wants to have the added responsibility of administrating four more regions of space occupied by what would, with absolute certainty, be an uncooperative culture? Do you think the Federation wants to spread Customs and the Navy even thinner around an even larger border? Do you think the Federation wants to have to deal with becoming the Guristas' primary target, instead of a barely-considered afterthought?

The only Caldari asset the Federation has ever been interested in from a military perspective between the end of the first and the start of the second Gallente-Caldari war is Caldari Prime, and we have so little interest in owning it nowadays due to the political problems that such ownership causes that when the opportunity presented itself for us to seize control of all of it, we negotiated with a foreign power with which we were at war rather than doing so.

If you want an example of why forcible annexation of foreign cultures is an awful idea, look at the Amarr Empire. In the past half-millenia it lost almost a third of its territory to the Khanid, the Minmatar and to its semi-autonomous vassal the Ammatar Mandate simply because when an empire grows too large it is literally impossible to maintain control of. We've seen this dozens of times out in the nullsec regions, and hundreds of times throughout the history of the various cultures of the four empires.

If we "annexed" the Caldari State, in addition to all the fallout such an annexation would cause, all of your problems - the Guristas, the corporate infighting, the lack of centralised government - would become our problems. We don't want your problems. We have enough of our own.

TomHorn wrote:
Heth was a hero of State. He wanted to unite the megacoporations and make the State stronger. He knew the only way to end the war was to defeat the Federation militarily.

If he honestly believed this, he's as politically blind as you are. The State quite simply could not defeat the Federation in an all-out war. Your miliatry just isn't equipped or purposed to do anything remotely similar to this task. The State's military is designed to be able to defend the State's interests against foreign interference - it is decidedly not suited to the invasion, occupation and conquest of foreign powers, especially not the Federation. Notice that the only time the State's military was able to win a decisive victory against the Federation without overwhelming capsuleer support is when they had intimate insider knowledge of Tripwire - and they only seized one planet.

The rest of your post is just griping about how the rest of the Caldari State wasn't willing to kowtow to Heth's lunacy. He was a tyrant, a madman, a liar, a terrorist, a racist and after all was said and done, he's also a coward, because he refuses to face the justice of the Caldari State.

Face it, Horn - you picked the wrong side in this fight. Heth's going to lose, you know this, and you're just beginning to see that you'll get dragged down with him.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-19 12:19:47 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:
If I were a dictator as shrewd as Heth was, then I would have a backup force ready in case my primary plan failed.

If Heth was shrewd, he wouldn't be talking about "retaking Caldari Prime."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Laurienne 'Quafegirl' Cherbourg
Like Oh My Gosh I Totally Have A Corp Now
#31 - 2013-06-19 14:35:43 UTC
I dunno why you all got to be so mean I mean he's just a poor old man, like he probably just needs like a warm mug of Quaffee and a blankie or something and I bet all of this would just boil over (is that the expression~?) pretty quick-like.






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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#32 - 2013-06-19 15:54:38 UTC
Thank you for the report.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-06-19 16:08:57 UTC
When the noose starts tightening on dangerous individuals, well, they sometimes do rash things.

Heth will be perfectly happy ending his journey towards supposed Martyrdom in a descending fireball aimed at Luminaire.

Those of you with surface-based assets on Gallente Prime might consider relocating, unless you wish to enjoy the best seats in the house for the upcoming show.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#34 - 2013-06-19 16:23:56 UTC
Quote:
When the noose starts tightening on dangerous individuals, well, they sometimes do rash things.

Heth will be perfectly happy ending his journey towards supposed Martyrdom in a descending fireball aimed at Luminaire.

Those of you with surface-based assets on Gallente Prime might consider relocating, unless you wish to enjoy the best seats in the house for the upcoming show.


I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.
Coyote Torres
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2013-06-19 16:27:11 UTC
TomHorn wrote:

I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.


I only hope he's dumb enough to try that. I'm pretty sure it'd take all of five seconds for the Amarrians to bag him up and send him back to the CEP, Interbus express delivery.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-19 16:49:38 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.

Once again you seem willfully ignorant of political realities.

Let us set aside for a moment how massive a diplomatic slight it would be for the Empire to insulate a terrorist and revolutionary from an ally's justice, because little more than "it would be a massive diplomatic slight" really needs to be said. Because of the disastrous impact of Heth's abysmal economic and military policies, the various State corporations had to borrow a rather vast amount of money from the Amarr Empire and its various financiers. If it became publicly known that the Amarr were paying host to a terrorist and avowed enemy of the State, then the CEP and the various corporations who borrowed money from the Empire might feel that it was well within their rights to cease loan repayments. If this grant of asylum occured with the consent of the Privy Council, they would rapidly become deeply unpopular with the Empire's financiers, which, despite what the zealously religious Amarians on this board will tell you, is not something that the Privy Council can afford to do.

Contrariwise, were it to occur on the volition of a private individual without the Privy Council's assent, that individual would rapidly find themselves in so much trouble as to match, or perhaps even exceed Heth's plight in severity. At this point, Heth only really has to worry about himself - a Holder giving Heth asylum against the wishes of the Empire might easily find literally everyone he loves to be on the receiving end of the Empire's wrath.

So no, Horn, the Empire will most likely not be coming to Heth's aid. Then again, the Empire doesn't exactly have a flawless history of sound long-term planning, so I very much admit I could easily be wrong.

It's kind of ironic, really. If Heth weren't so consumed with his baseless, unfounded, irrational hatred for the Gallente Federation, he might remember that if you're on the run from the Caldari State, there's one place in the cluster that has more experience than any other with hiding Caldari fugitives from State justice. But then again, if Heth weren't so consumed with his baseless, unfounded, irrational hatred for the Gallente Federation, he'd never be in this situation to begin with. Poetic justice, really.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#37 - 2013-06-19 17:09:39 UTC
GalNet news story with general report from Caldari Navy;
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-navy-storms-haatomo-station-location-of-heth-unknown-1/

'As the assault inside the station continued, the Caldari capital fleet which had been in a standby position several dozen AU away warped in, docked, and deployed additional boarding parties. Soon after, the Provist forces were over overrun and made a break for the docking rings. It appears four Chimera-class carriers and four Phoenix-class dreadnaughts belonging to the Provists were able to undock in the confusion, but were immediately pinned down by waiting pro-State or anti-Heth capsuleers.'

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#38 - 2013-06-19 17:11:48 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
I hope Heth will head for the Amarr Empire and seek political asylum. Look to rebuild his strength and wait for an oppertunity to return. Amarr have been our allies for along time, hopefully he will have friends there who can help.


As an Holder of the Amarr Empire I will tell you the first thing we would do is pack him into a box and ship him back to the CEP...As you said yourself we are allies to the State, and the CEP leads the State. Not a declared Terrorist.

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-19 17:15:17 UTC
Good to have my summary corroborated by the Navy's report. and those capitals went down fast. I was seriously expecting them to have a friendly cyno on hand or something.

Then again, from what I gather we had a couple of Geddons neuting them into the ground.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-06-19 17:21:12 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Then again, from what I gather we had a couple of Geddons neuting them into the ground.

Gotta build myself one of those. One of the Empire's better inventions.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.