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How to counter Strategic Cruisers?
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WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-06-14 16:35:42 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Well after reading the above posts.
There really isn't any counter to it is there?

E-War you say?
If you're 1v1 ing a t3 , that means your med slots are out and chances are they'll out run you ,
If you want to be practical with E-war that means you'll need backup, falling back again to the BLOB tactics .

Pick arbitrators you say?
Are you sure you're not just fighting a poorly skilled pilot in a poorly fi

Explain why you should win in a 1v1 against a T3?
WInter Borne
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-06-14 16:45:09 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Akulun Orkulus wrote:
It may not be preferred but in my opinion blobbing may be one of the most effective ways to kill a t3. For example, the other day some of my corp buddies and I were messing around in lowsec and wouldn't you know a solo Proteus comes in on us at a gate and starts firing all cylinders. Now keep in mind that this was after a fairly gnarly fight with a Cynabal and a Harbinger that knocked out 3 of our 6 guys, and all that was left of us was a damaged Cormorant, a Jaguar, and an Enyo(me). Needless to say the Corm fell pretty quick but the Jag and I were able to bring the Proteus down to 25% armor fairly quick before he decided it was a good idea to wait out the minute and jump through the gate. So even small groups (2-3 ships) can bring down a t3 if given enough time.


ugh ...
what about strategy ?
I mean... an enyo and a jag is pretty much a pocket cruiser .. they are materials for fighting even battlecruisers .
Is there a 101 Guide to Fighting somewher?

Why dont you go into wspace with some friends and try out strategies yourselves?
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#83 - 2013-06-14 23:06:24 UTC
As a Tengu pvp pilot, there are a few ways to counter T3's and it usually requires a small/med size gang designed to kill it. The biggest factor is the pilots skills/fit and experience and that can't be quickly determined on the spot. I will say that fighting another Tengu that is setup like mine is almost pointless and often becomes a very long drawn out fight.

I have noticed that since the heavy missile nerf, people are less scared of the Tengu of Doom and if given a choice of T3 targets, most will go after the Tengu first and the Prot last and usually try to avoid the Loki. A 100mn Ham Tengu in the right hands is very lethal. It can easily do over 600 DPS omni damage (more if using Kinetic) at 36km non-overheated. Sadly to acheive this, requires a heavy investment in skills and ISK to fit it the way I have. Implants are a must and having a Loki booster helps tremendously. Its a big investment that has so far paid out huge divedends for me. Worth every ISK I poured into it.

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Samuel Wess
Doomheim
#84 - 2013-06-19 11:19:44 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.
Not butt-hurt. I don't blame the people for flying them. But when a single class of ships is so ridiculously powerful that all of nulsec is reshipping into them, something is broken.


There is no other ship class that a 100mn Tengu is weak against. In eve every ship has a dedicated role, and its good at something,
but there is a counter to it. There is no ship i could pick to counter it, the only solutions are to use the same class/fit or bring more people.
And yes in my nullsec area everybody has one.

Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!"
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-06-19 13:13:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Ewar - if he runs you won.
And he cant run if you fit with mwd for speed and scram / web or combination of those.

There are heaps of ways to die badly in T3 but but obviously while you could kill one in a lesser ship theres not going to be a 100% surefire way which you seem to be seeking when there are tons of variables and your trying to kill a t3 worth many times more than the ship youre using.

If there was such a recipe T3s would be useless

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Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#86 - 2013-06-19 14:14:30 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.


Not true. I was in a fleet last month that killed 2 T3s worth 1.1 billion isk, and our entire fleet cost less than 80 million isk .

An insta-lock Loki, a HAM tengu, and a Myrmidon from FCON were camping the a high-sec gate in low-sec. We jumped 3 T1 fitted Atrons through the gate into them and tackled the Loki, then 15 seconds later jumped an additional 30 frigates, mostly T1-fitted Atrons through the gate once they were aggressed.

At an average cost of less than 2 million ISK per ship on our side, we committed less than the cost of a single Battlecruiser, but countered not just 1 but two T3 cruisers. We only lost 3 ships ourselves, worth less than 5 million combined.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#87 - 2013-06-19 16:41:26 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??




For pvp.

No matter what the question is -
The answer is always bring more ecm ships.




Some will say - - 'ur crap cause u need ecm' - 'ecm sooo is unfair' - 'it sucks' - 'its lame' - 'Oh a griffin -'you suck and im gonna talk like eve is normally a fair game and YOU broke it's fairness by using ecm' etc etc.

People will always start saying that kind of stuff to you after you start using ecm lots.
I have found the best way to avoid it is to fit a sebo and try to pod them before they can type into local. Big smile

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