Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A sandbox game presents you with choices, and those choices have consequences. This is a true and correct thing for there to be. What a sandbox game should not do is offer you an "undo" button if you continually do the same thing and then much later on decide you don't like the results of something you could have stopped at any time.

Were you taking anti-faction missions? Shooting Gallenteans and Matari? You naughty boy. You were presented with the choice to take those missions, which you did, and your consequence for shooting that empire's ships was loss of standing with them. Rule #1 of mission-running is to always decline anti-faction missions unless you don't care about losing access an empire's space. Rule #2 is to always have a secondary agent/secondary activity for those occasions when your primary agent offers you back-to-back anti-faction missions.

To use myself as an example, I've run missions in Gallente space for various Gallente corporations over the last six years and my Caldari/Amarr standing before skill modification has never dipped below -5. I can come and go in their empires freely and without harassment by the NPC police.

I agree completely. Unfortunately, Pandora has opened the box and with CCP Soundwave specifically saying "we're introducing this because of tedious things nobody wants to do," they've made virtually every argument against Tags/Items-4-Everything effectively invalid except "because we said so."

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=248383
There you got a 10 page thread about the same thing.

Harry Forever alt detected?

so the real source of the problem is you are a mission lp blitzer and whining because faction missions eat up one of your denies so you can't save it for a mission that pays out crap.

Easy solution....run the crap missions, save the denies for faction mission offers. I do this now after trashing gallant standings way back. I fixed them eventually at some point, its not that bad. I have known pirates come back from -9 via running loops in low/0.0. This is very mild in comparison to running loops.

What about those people who are not LP blitzers but have just been in a certain area for a really long time? People who used the Data centers 5-6 years ago. The "easy solution" you provide only works for those people who have a certain level of standing. It does not apply to those people who are below that standing. Those characters still have to grind standing back up first.

While you may have found the process and time involved to run hours of lvl 1 missions "not that bad", not everyone aspires to be a bot or AFK during the hour or two they log in to EVE per day. Standing grind from -10, since it revolves around running batches of 17 lvl 1 missions, is a much longer and mind-numbing process than sec grinding ever was. At least with sec grinding you did not have to shoot thousands of frigates before you got any sec increase from a cruiser/BC/BS.

In regards to the "consequences of your actions" argument:

ISK loss (paying for the tags....which might be very expensive depending on how/where/when they drop) is a consequence. If ISK loss is not considered a consequence, then much of this game is "pointless" and that is a problem in an of itself. Strangely enough the RP consequence is null an void since it is possible to have very high faction standings to all factions simultaneously. This situation indicates that the factions do not care if you have been shooting their dudes you can still have +9 standing.

You can do Sister's epic arc once in a while to fix you faction standings: diplomacy/social/connections 5, complete arc for faction you want to fix and you'll be able to safely fly in that empire space. A little bit effort - and you'll be able to do 4lvl missions (effective faction standing -1.99 and corp or agent standing 5 required). It takes some time to kill your standings, so it should take comparable amount of time to fix it.

On my main, this is just a forum Alt with no skills... so, you wish to punish thosethat have no active playable alts instead ?, look at it this way, since iwe started i learnt early on, that actions have consequenses, i have choosen not to do alot of things, simply couse its been bad for my faction standings, FW wich is very rewarding iwe avoided, so instead i build up my factions slovly gain alittle there, loose less in a anouther, and so forth...

So to sum it up, you want people like my screwed ower by saying, do the fast and furious way and buy yourself out of the Mess, thanks alot, so kind of you !

So i would be compensated for doing a more slower way ?

keep it running, there can never be enough threads about this topic! mine got trolled anyway like crazy! push for it, its always good for CCP to see that others have the same issue!

Ya, I think EVE should be a sandbox that can welcome more people. Many people come here just because they like space science fiction and want to have some easy PVE gameplay. Why not EVE give them a place to fulfill their demand ?

There's no need to set so many obstacles to makes EVE "good". These mechanisms don't run well. Just because CCP don't think they harm this game and ignore them for so many years.