Missions & Complexes

Join TVP I will get you into our 1400 fitting channel next time im online and badger you with my constant ranting about how awesome projectile boats are! You will find a lot of help for fitting your mael and how to min/max for the best possible fit you can squeeze out of it. I started long ago in a maelstrom. She was my pride and joy so I have a soft spot in my heart for new maelstrom pilots =)

What BS would you guys recommend training towards for a Caldari BS pilot?
I've got a pretty well outfitted CNR with T2 mods, but since missiles boats are shunned for incursions it seems, I'll need to do some cross-training.

I'm just not sure which ship to go towards.

I was in the ISN Secondary channel today and they were acting like elitist ****** to the guys who were asking any questions at all. They actually need to learn from you. Peeps there take it like their second job or something. Anyways, keep up the good work, Goldiee!

Bumped, just in case.

To expand on that a little bit; Going for a Blaster Rokh is the most efficient change for Caldari. By the time you finish training to the T2 guns you should have made enough ISK to get a Vindicator and a few days training to get the Minmitar skills up are a drop in the bucket (Except of course BS 5). A solid Vindicator will get you into most any fleet as either DPS, Drone Bunny or even Rail Vindi but first steps first get a full rack of blasters and tank your resists to the requisite 70% (62% with an OGB) a MWD is nice to keep up in HQ’s (but totally unnecessary in VG’s and Assaults).

Hope that give you something to start with, let me know if you need more specifics.

Lol, that was quite entertaining! But yea, can't be in too many places at once. But have to tell you again that you are doing an awesome job in here. I will definitely look you up in-game.

Good luck getting the landlord to play Eve!

For armor:

Apocalypse(anti frig) or Abaddon(max dps) if you are on the T1 level. Armageddon can work with very good drone skills, but is strictly limited to static gangs(because you lose all your sentry damage once you need to move).

For faction ships the navy Armageddon is basically the ship for you if you have high drone/gunnery skills since it is the highest DPS performer in the line-up. If you lack a lot of SP in drones, you might look into the navy Apoc, with dual faction webs, dual faction TCs, 4 heat sinks and tracking/optimal rigs it is a fantastic anti frigate platform in your gang(basically the bigger and much better Legion now) and different to blaster boats, it can take them out right at the spawn point at 70km while still dishing out 1100+ dps up to 30km against bigger targets. You ultimate goal might be the Paladin, since it combines T2 resistances where you need them the most(explo/kin) with lots of utility(for RR/cap transfers) and with high range. It also got a 90% web what enables you to apply nearly full dps even at close range, giving you a fantastic tool that can hit any target, at any range for full dps. To make it even better it is also a fairly effective Tachyon sniper ship for Assault and HQ fleets, since it loses very little in performance compared to close range BS fittings and can cover any frequently required range in the this gangs.

Sub BS you got the Zealot/Legion, both some of the most effective anti frig ships in the game(high range, high dps, extreme high effective tracking), however her popularity is fading slowly, since the high competition in Vanguards means 850 DPS is not good enough in gangs that can cover the anti frig role with BS. However they are still required for Assault and HQ fleets.

Last but not least would be the Guardian logistic cruiser, that sees heavy use in blaster fitted MWD fleets and Assault/HQ fleets, to cap up ships after mwding or against neuting. It is also more sturdy as the Oneiros logistic cruisers, in fact it is the most sturdy piece of logistic hardware you can fly. A slaved guardian can easily sport similar EHP than a battleship while the speed, resists and damage migration give you 3-5 times the tank of a BS in practical use, making it one of the safest places to be in HQ sites and your best bet for a ship that will survive even the worst alpha situation, logi disconnects or bad fc decisions.

For shield:

Nightmare, you need the caldari BS skill for it but it is very good, it tanks well, got lots of utility and hits at nearly any range acceptable. It also fills the anti frig role in shield gangs fitted for contests(what means artillery fitted machs and tach fitted Nightmares).

The navy Apoc is basically not that strong here because the Nightmare exists(it got more dps, more tank and the same tracking). I sometimes see shield fitted Abaddons or navy Armageddon but they are mostly flow by people that didn't train into the Nightmare yet. Shield legions are used by some, but it is in general a ship that performs worse as shield instead of armor tank, since TCs give you more tracking and armor legions already use 4 HS with a 2 slot tank.

Amarr is a good choice, other races don't have more ships that are in high demand.

In general it comes down to logistic cruisers and a couple faction BS(Vindicator, Macharial, Nightmare) if you look for ships that are in constant and high demand(Paladin is the only exception to this rule, because there is no armor tanked faction BS that uses lasers and provides the web strength bonus). While you need to train Caldari BS for the Nightmare as Amarr, you get very competitive ships for both shield and armor gangs, and once you train into Caldari the Basilisk isn't that far. If you already had trained for the Guardian, you can now fly both shield and armor logistic and dps, what gives you a lot of options and you will fairly easy and quick find spots in gangs since you can fill a lot of roles. Even better, if you look at it from the FC perspective, he can swap you out for dps or logi, what prevents gangs from having to take breaks if they lack logis or dps. Back in the days with Ludus I tented to rotate between Legion, Guardian and Paladin, depending on what we did need the most. Also a few other regulars in the fleet could do this, what made even pick-up Assault fleets run very efficient and non stop for hour instead of having a 10 minute break after every site, picking up new players and waiting for this special ship they lack but not get in the moment.

If you want it and focus your SP around amarr and lasers, it will take a while but you will see very good results later down the road and you can become a very flexible and well rounded player with that skill-set in incursions.

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Incursion is a little less busy since I came back to eve(about 2 months ago) but there are still plenty of people and active groups around. I generally did it like back in the days, just hit up TDF/ISN fly in a lot of gangs and you will quickly meet old people you know or new ones that drag you on her channels.

Macharial and Vindi are still good and in high demand.

Multi boxing depends a bit on your FC, some say no, what is her right to do and others say yes, mostly to fill up dps and logi spots and get the gang running till you get some extra people to fill this spots, to prevent stops of the gang or switch out a logi really fast if he gets busy in RL or got a disconnect. I haven't really seen multi boxing abuse(outside ISBoxer fleets) in the last 2 months since I am back to Incursion, where people demand to multi box while other players are on the wait list, most just use it to make the gang run smoother and avoid breaks till you find some more people.

From my experience it is quite handy to have a extra booster/logi/dps with you, as long as your FC knows that you play multiple ships at once, want you to bring them on grid and if you don't put your fleet at risk using multiple accounts at the same time. If you do it to help out your gang, instead for pure greed a lot people actually like you for going the extra mile to keep the gang running.

Last time I flew in a BTL fleet a tower bash alone would take up to 30 minutes. An acceptable fit was whatever you wanted to bring, and competition for sites was also all but non-existent.

Things have changed, most of the new groups have more focused requirements for fleet, T2 guns, specific fits, specific ships, some are ‘no boxxers’ and others promote ‘boxing’ (Playing more than one toon). But the end result was to fine tune the fleet and maximize the earning potential while minimizing the risk. And of course the never ending contesting of sites has made the 'Bring whatever' attitude counter productive to earning ISK.

Currently a site with a tower bash can take as little as 10 minutes for a TCRC or up to 20 for a TPPH, Vanguard fleets run some sites in under 4 minutes tick to tick. Any losses are primarily the players fault and very rarely due to FC’s incompetence. Incursions have grown up, or gotten less mature, depending on how you look at it. Different play styles and some politics have resulted in the many different groups you see today.

As for the new Harbi, I haven’t seen one used yet. I imagine the lack of range would still be an issue. Some groups might be willing to take one on, but of course the availability of so many 1000+ DPS ships out there it would require a hard pressed FC to pick a BC unless of course there was nothing else available.