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What Is The Benefit Of Upgrading FW Hubs
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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#1 - 2013-06-19 02:54:48 UTC
I've found a lot of conflicting information on this subject, both in game and out of game. CCP mention that repair costs are reduced by 50% at tier 5, manufacturing time is reduced, and also POS fuel is used 20% less for starbases. None of this information is mentioned in the game on the upgrade panel though.

Were these benefits ever implemented? I can't find any solid information after about an hour of searching through various articles.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#2 - 2013-06-19 03:50:05 UTC
No, those would be useful bonuses, we don't get those :(

We get more manufacturing slots (but no additional ones if the station didn't have any to begin with) and a clone cost reduction.

The only real benefit to upgrading systems is to increase aggregate warzone control to go to a higher tier.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#3 - 2013-06-19 09:43:30 UTC
Tiber Ibis wrote:
I've found a lot of conflicting information on this subject, both in game and out of game. CCP mention that repair costs are reduced by 50% at tier 5, manufacturing time is reduced, and also POS fuel is used 20% less for starbases. None of this information is mentioned in the game on the upgrade panel though.

Were these benefits ever implemented? I can't find any solid information after about an hour of searching through various articles.


it seems that CCP forgot to update wiki about fw changes, also many ingame information windows gives false information.

It may take couple years before they fix those.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#4 - 2013-06-19 13:25:49 UTC
CCP Ytterbium announced that these were the newest upgrades for the hubs in the latest patch. The information can also be found in this post - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1866320#post1866320

Level1:
* +5 station manufacturing, copy, ME, PE, Invention slots
* 10% market tax reduction
* 10% repair cost reduction
* 5% manufacturing time reduction

Level2:
* +10 station manufacturing, copy, ME, PE, Invention slots
* 20% market tax reduction
* 20% repair cost reduction
* 10% manufacturing time reduction

Level3:
* +15 station manufacturing, copy, ME, PE, Invention slots
* 30% market tax reduction
* 30% repair cost reduction
* 15% manufacturing time reduction
* 10% reduction to starbase fuel cost

Level4:
* +20 station manufacturing, copy, ME, PE, Invention slots
* 40% market tax reduction
* 40% repair cost reduction
* 20% manufacturing time reduction
* 10% reduction to starbase fuel cost

Level5:
* +25 station manufacturing, copy, ME, PE, Invention slots
* 50% market tax reduction
* 50% repair cost reduction
* 30% manufacturing time reduction
* 20% reduction to starbase fuel cost
* Able to anchor Cyno Jammer


The problem is this information is mentioned no where else in the game, or on the official wiki page, although it is mentioned on some of the other wiki pages such as the eve uni pages. So none of those changes above are correct then? Or is it CCP has implemented them but just hasn't updated anything yet. Confusing What?
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-19 14:06:17 UTC
This is not what the actual upgrade benefits are. You can mouse over the benefits in an upgraded system, and view them (think it's decreased clone cost, 1 additional slot in research/industry per level, and decrease in market tax). However they are decidely... underwhelming. The list that you found was what was proposed and many of us were excited for it. Unfortunately, CCP has gone dark on it and we haven't seen or heard anything about FW system benefits since winter. My only guess is that it was torpedoed in development because nullseccers cried too hard about the cyno jammers, and maybe some of the industry stuff.

In any case, the ones chatgris mentioned are the actual benefits, although he forgot market tax/broker's fee reduction. It's anyone's guess when we'll get some real benefits to FW system control.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#6 - 2013-06-19 15:12:20 UTC
Benefits are ****, the only reason to upgrade tier level is to be able to farm more LP.

So when there are calls for a "LP dump" it's a bunch of ****** carebears crying that their LP return is too low.

nom nom
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#7 - 2013-06-19 15:28:50 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
This is not what the actual upgrade benefits are. You can mouse over the benefits in an upgraded system, and view them (think it's decreased clone cost, 1 additional slot in research/industry per level, and decrease in market tax). However they are decidely... underwhelming. The list that you found was what was proposed and many of us were excited for it. Unfortunately, CCP has gone dark on it and we haven't seen or heard anything about FW system benefits since winter. My only guess is that it was torpedoed in development because nullseccers cried too hard about the cyno jammers, and maybe some of the industry stuff.

In any case, the ones chatgris mentioned are the actual benefits, although he forgot market tax/broker's fee reduction. It's anyone's guess when we'll get some real benefits to FW system control.

Ah, not good to hear. Guess there is little point in upgrading a system then other than trying to get overall warzone control. That's a shame, what CCP ytterbium posted looked very interesting. Now null seccers have had their industry buff, hopefully this can be looked at again.