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Broteau found guilty and executed by Sebiestor Tribe

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-06-18 15:46:44 UTC
Perhaps I should take a short sabbatical such that my employment is changed to reflect that I am a member of Sebiestor Tribe.

I would be interested in seeing how long Cipher's argument holds water with the Republic loyalists among our numbers.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#82 - 2013-06-18 15:48:34 UTC
Cipher7 wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:

You forgot to write the second point


Vincent Pryce wrote:
My comment was not about race you nitwit.


No, he didn't.


Quote:

He is not part of people of the Republic is he?

My comment was not about race you nitwit.


The first sentence is a question leading up to the point.

The second sentence is the point.

There is no second point.

Furthermore "people of the Republic" the CEO in question has twice been a "member of the Republic," once as a member of Republic Military School, and once as a member of Sebiestor Tribe. So, a "rabid cattle who should be chained" has turned out to be Mr Pryce's better.

Have a nice day ma'am

PS - The "it's not racial" excuse hasn't worked in quite some time


Mister Cypher, I seem to recall that until recently you yourself belonged to the Sebiestor Tribe, yet you do not consider yourself a Republican. Is it not possible that Mister Pryce's CEO falls into the same category?
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-06-18 16:55:15 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Incorrect.

The first is a rhetorical question - you know, a question that is a statement in and of itself; only asked to make a point and not meant to be answered - stating that his CEO is not part of the Republic, and that your comment about his CEO is therefore irrelevant.

The second is that his comment has nothing to do with Matari as a whole, but the Republic specifically.

If you're going to resort to attacking people's grammar, you've clearly run out of valid arguments and are just spinning your wheels in the mud.

Furthermore, having RMS or a Tribe on your employment record is a CONCORD requirement for when you are not employed by a capsuleer-run organization. It is not a valid statement of 'membership' and should not be construed as such.


Ma'am,

A statement broken down into 2 parts does not constitute 2 statements.

Furthermore specifically he said two "points," a point is an idea that one is trying to convey. We received one idea (that the CEO is not part of the Republic hence its not about race.) There is no second point.

It is well understood that the above is mere sophistry, nobody really cares if it's 1 point or 2 points, but it goes to discredit the original idea, which was more sinister.

Vincent Pryce wrote:

Congratulations to the people of the Republic. You have proven to be exactly what some of us have known you to be for so long. Rabid cattle to put chains on, and to sell to your betters to do as they please.


"People of the Republic" = "Rabid cattle to put chains on, and to sell to your betters to do as they please."

We can ignore the second part describing the "what" and focus on the "who."

"People of the Republic"

"People" and "the Republic" can mean different things, could mean people born in the Republic, could mean "Republicans" (altho why would one would say "people of the Republic" rather than "Republicans" which is shorter and more concise) could mean people living in the Republic, or just visiting. We don't know.

"of"

of (v, v; v when unstressed)
prep.
1. Derived or coming from; originating at or from: customs of the South.

*truncated for brevity, the rest of the definition :http://www.thefreedictionary.com/OF

So we get :

People derived, coming from, originating at or from, the Republic = "cattle to put chains on, and to sell you to your betters to do with as they please."

I won't draw a conclusion, to avoid more sophistry, feel free to understand it however you prefer.
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2013-06-18 16:58:04 UTC
Halete wrote:
Perhaps I should take a short sabbatical such that my employment is changed to reflect that I am a member of Sebiestor Tribe.

I would be interested in seeing how long Cipher's argument holds water with the Republic loyalists among our numbers.


Miss,

No offense intended. Apologies.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#85 - 2013-06-18 17:27:43 UTC
I am rather certain that the CEO of a corporation that is public about its alignment with the Angel Cartel and their Serpentis associates would not consider himself "of the Republic" in the relevant sense: namely, one that lives there or serves it.

Born of the Republic he may be. But that's not the relevant context here; I think you know that, and at this point are blowing words just for the sake of being contrary.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2013-06-18 17:59:50 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Born of the Republic he may be. But that's not the relevant context here; I think you know that, and at this point are blowing words just for the sake of being contrary.


Well no, I'm blowing words because I felt the statement is an attack on me.

No idea why you're blowing words.

Still new to how things work around here, apparently you don't have to be polite, as long as you understand how to tactfully schit on people (which I don't, silly me.)

Oh well, see you round.
Vincent Pryce
Damnation Angels
Watch This
#87 - 2013-06-18 18:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pryce
Cipher7 wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Cipher7 wrote:

You forgot to write the second point


Vincent Pryce wrote:
My comment was not about race you nitwit.


No, he didn't.


Quote:

He is not part of people of the Republic is he?

My comment was not about race you nitwit.


The first sentence is a question leading up to the point.

The second sentence is the point.

There is no second point.

Furthermore "people of the Republic" the CEO in question has twice been a "member of the Republic," once as a member of Republic Military School, and once as a member of Sebiestor Tribe. So, a "rabid cattle who should be chained" has turned out to be Mr Pryce's better.

Have a nice day ma'am

PS - The "it's not racial" excuse hasn't worked in quite some time


Has been. Has. Assassin is no longer affiliated with the Republic and it's distorted ideals. He is also the CEO, because I saw it fit to elevate him to that position.

Every single person has the potential for greatness, regardless of their blood or genetics. There are many of matari origins whom I have much respect for and some that I look up to as an example, such as Trald Vukenda and others like him who've broken free of the confines of racial classifications and predetermined societal expectations set upon them upon birth.

You demonstrate the failure of your small minded dogma while you cling to race as an issue, only further proving my point. When you grow past your ignorance you might one day strive to achieve fraction of the greatness the Assassin has. Until then, your only worth is that what you would net at a slave market.

When Morwen Lagann sees fit to defend me of all people in a discussion, you are not doing so well. She makes a good point at it too, when we leave capsuleer controlled corporate entities we are assigned where CONCORD has predetermined. If I would choose to be a free agent, I would be assigned to The Scope roster, which would not be my choice - nor theirs as they have made their disdain for me known through official standings records. Like any other capsuleer, we have no say in this matter, no matter how much one would have desire for it.

"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."

Domination Seraphim

Cartel approved, Heaven blessed

Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#88 - 2013-06-18 18:51:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Another gallentean died. What could be better?


Will someone at concord please revoke her posting privileges on the IGS?

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-06-18 19:06:40 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
Will someone at concord please revoke her posting privileges on the IGS?

I'm not sure whether I agree with you. Kim seems to be the one thing that Sansha, Angels, Serps, Guris, Raiders, Equalists, Federals, Republicans, Statists, Imperials and various null-sec factionalists can all agree on.

Despite her best efforts, she seems to be fomenting consensus rather than discord.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-06-18 19:21:20 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

Will someone at concord please revoke her posting privileges on the IGS?

Why should they?
Or... why would they? Do you remember what happened to CONCORD vessel that tried to intervene into affairs of the State in Luminaire solar system?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#91 - 2013-06-18 19:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Diana Kim wrote:
Kithrus wrote:

Will someone at concord please revoke her posting privileges on the IGS?

Why should they?
Or... why would they? Do you remember what happened to CONCORD vessel that tried to intervene into affairs of the State in Luminaire solar system?


A forum owned and operated by CONCORD and the CRC is a wholly different beast, Diana.

Edit - Vince, I think you know I don't have a problem stepping up and defending someone when someone else is being obtuse and clearly wrong, regardless of who they are.

We didn't get a chance to talk at the Conference in April. We probably ought to rectify that sometime.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#92 - 2013-06-19 01:55:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Another gallentean died. What could be better?

When you call him a Gallentean, you could mean two things:

A. Broteau is an ethnic Gallentean, which means you're a racist.

B. Broteau is of the Gallente Federation, which I deny. Broteau shouldn't have the honor of being considered a Gallentean.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#93 - 2013-06-19 02:54:05 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Another gallentean died. What could be better?

When you call him a Gallentean, you could mean two things:

A. Broteau is an ethnic Gallentean, which means you're a racist.

B. Broteau is of the Gallente Federation, which I deny. Broteau shouldn't have the honor of being considered a Gallentean.



Diana Kim, a racist?

Alert the press.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#94 - 2013-06-19 03:42:55 UTC
Havohej wrote:
I didn't get the memo about the complete abolition of slavery in the Empire and the return of all Minmatar slaves to their ancestral Tribal homes... fill me in.


Alright, fine: We'll give you of our slaves and then you give us back all of our planets. It would be worth it just to see you all crammed back into the measly three systems that you occupied before we stomped your so-called "Empire" out of existence.

As for getting memos, it looks like all you've ever read is the standard Republic indoctrination pamphlet, which I think as about eight sentences long and makes a point to avoid using any big words. Wouldn't want any of Shakor's terrorists actually thinking for themselves or taking their blinders off, after all.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0