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Hello again from a returning industrialist. New loan offering shortly. Some questions first.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#21 - 2013-05-22 14:17:14 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I got some awesomely researched capital BPOs at below NPC price, I don't want to be the next guy dumping big price BPOs at below NPC cost. In this case I'd make back 22B and would lose the hugely massive difference on what I loaned.





Offcourse you should not hand out the loan at approx sale price aka double npc BUT i can see why keth is not keen on loaning them out at npc price either when current sell price is double. I'd think if you want to be cautious then npc +1 B on all those still is verry safe and keth would still take a risk.But then the risk SHOULD allways be bigger for the one asking for the loan compared to the one providing the loan.


Of course, Flakeys my dear *ISKhugs*

What I have read, however is that a 22B NPC value is being proposed as a value of 64B. That's quite a long jump in terms of good will.

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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#22 - 2013-05-22 14:28:40 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
What I have read, however is that a 22B NPC value is being proposed as a value of 64B. That's quite a long jump in terms of good will.

I think you have miss-read.

Kethas Protagonist wrote:
NPC 43B pool of BPOs to about 65B.
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
If I value them at NPC as collateral, that's incentivizing my creditor 22B to walk with the prints.

43b is the NPC price, 65b is the proposed retail price, 22b is the difference between NPC and retail.
Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#23 - 2013-05-23 05:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kethas Protagonist
Blueprint Seller wrote:
I would be preapred to loan 55B against that collateral. I would want my fee paid monthly in advance, because of the amount of research capacity I would have to turn over to this.

What percentage are you looking to pay for the combined loan and research package?

Thanks for the offer. It's actually great to hear someone say they'd handle research unilaterally. I can do it myself during a loan by parking toons in a holding corp with locked-down prints, but it's a serious coordination hassle with the creditor/corp owner.

I currently have a few feelers out for offers. Give me a couple days to get back to you. If I end up not falling in love with any of them I may do one of my old auction-style threads, which would be an exciting event for all involved.

Edit:

Blueprint Seller wrote:
43b is the NPC price, 65b is the proposed retail price, 22b is the difference between NPC and retail.

This is correct.
Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#24 - 2013-05-27 09:57:34 UTC
Quick update: ongoing conversations with several parties regarding a collateralized loan are going swimmingly. It's likely I'll still make an uncollateralized offering eventually, but probably not in the next week or two as I put the initial, larger collateralized one to work.
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#25 - 2013-05-27 11:06:03 UTC
Just returned to the game myself. :) Welcome back!

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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#26 - 2013-05-31 06:34:38 UTC
Final update: I've reached an excellent loan agreement with TornSoul and look forward to working with him. My thanks to all the potential creditors that discussed possible loan conditions with me, your time and effort are appreciated.

I should be running at 100% within a few days. Looking forward to setting up shop in my little corner of space and watching the assembly arrays tick over.
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-05-31 11:48:13 UTC
Kethas Protagonist wrote:
Final update: I've reached an excellent loan agreement with TornSoul and look forward to working with him. My thanks to all the potential creditors that discussed possible loan conditions with me, your time and effort are appreciated.

I should be running at 100% within a few days. Looking forward to setting up shop in my little corner of space and watching the assembly arrays tick over.




Good to hear , good luck with your venture Blink

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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#28 - 2013-06-03 14:43:11 UTC
Congrats on your new venture, best of luck!

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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#29 - 2013-06-19 03:26:27 UTC
Quick update:

1) Industry's up and running. I'm back where I was pre-hiatus. I incurred significant one-off expenses setting up shop again but I've already earned it all back and then some.

2) I've quit one of my old niches as the margins have shrunk substantially and I have better places to spend the money. Speaking of which:

3) I've entered a new niche on a trial basis. Honestly the spreadsheet numbers seem too good to be true: great margin, no serious barrier to entry, quick turnaround, large market volume, etc. etc. Assuming my first few trial runs don't bump into any serious problems (and I'm already discovering the materials market is more volatile than I might like):

4) I'll be launching an uncollateralized loan sometime in the next week or so, in the 10B-20B area. I don't yet know the desired principal as I'm still testing the profitabilty of this new niche, and I haven't yet nailed down the turnaround time and thus am not 100% positive on my working capital requirements.

The launch will be along the lines of my previous ones. There will be a max principal, a maximum interest rate of about 10%, potential creditors will bid amounts + interest rates, I'll accept bids from lowest interest rate to highest until the principal is met or bids are exhausted, and everyone gets the highest, winning interest rate. Stay tuned for details.

I'm sure I'll catch some flak for, well, ANY uncollateralized loan. That's fine. My loins are girded.
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