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Planetary Conquest, corp quitting timers and more!

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#81 - 2013-05-15 10:50:56 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
It compels the question:

Did Fox get his(/her?) shoes back?


Yes, I did get my shoes back the same day they were taken.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#82 - 2013-05-15 10:51:31 UTC
Panhead4411 wrote:
Quote:
As a member of a corporation you can now quit a corporation instantly without waiting the 24 hours after dropping roles...

|This corporation change also shipped on May 6th.


Didn't see this in any patchnotes.....either it didn't get done or CCP is still having trouble communicating...this is why we bug you when you don't release patchnotes, b/c stuff like this gets snuck in all stealthy like....


As I stated earlier in this thread, this is on me. I failed to get the change into the patch notes. My sincere apologies.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#83 - 2013-05-15 10:52:08 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
We will have a POS or a SOV revamp Soon?

And can corp directors now kick without the 24h delays too?


I have no idea.

No.

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2013-05-15 10:52:37 UTC
Slug Hard wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Klingon Admiral wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Those of you unable to quit a corporation instantly, are you hitting the quit corporation button or are you applying to another corporation and having them hit the invite button?


I am using the "Prepare to Leave Corporation" Button in the Corp Window.


... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB.


Since you're tweaking the Corp UI, any chance I can direct your attention to the issues here?


Never said we were tweaking the corp UI, that is on an EVE team to do.

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Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#85 - 2013-05-15 16:01:47 UTC
Do the bonuses to POS production and to POS fuel requirements apply to all POS's for the Corporation or Alliance, or only those POSes in the same Region?

In other words, will every single null-sec entity now care about what's going on in Molden Heath?

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).

Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-05-15 17:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:
Do the bonuses to POS production and to POS fuel requirements apply to all POS's for the Corporation or Alliance, or only those POSes in the same Region?

In other words, will every single null-sec entity now care about what's going on in Molden Heath?


i beleive it was stated that only poses that are anchored to one of the moons in orbit around the planet on which a district is located can receive the bonus. remember its a testing bed for now and once its had its trial run it will open up to more regions and thw bonuses will be more useful

i wonder how much of an effect this will have on pos deployment stratagy, with temperate planets being at a premium until they enable more environments for dust combat. but then again om not sure if the bonuses are tempting enough to make a big deal out of it at this stage, i think is going to take sov influence to get those not involved in dust to really start to care
YuuKnow
The Scope
#87 - 2013-05-15 17:44:10 UTC
The insta-quits will make Eve's War Dec system even more impotent.

Caution about trying to change Eve game mechanics based off Dust514 feedback... what's good for one game is not necessarily good for the other...

If you can make the quit mechanics for Dust different from the Eve mechanics would probably be the best solution.

yk

Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2013-05-15 17:49:49 UTC
Zanzbar wrote:
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:
Do the bonuses to POS production and to POS fuel requirements apply to all POS's for the Corporation or Alliance, or only those POSes in the same Region?

In other words, will every single null-sec entity now care about what's going on in Molden Heath?


i beleive it was stated that only poses that are anchored to one of the moons in orbit around the planet on which a district is located can receive the bonus. remember its a testing bed for now and once its had its trial run it will open up to more regions and thw bonuses will be more useful

i wonder how much of an effect this will have on pos deployment stratagy, with temperate planets being at a premium until they enable more environments for dust combat. but then again om not sure if the bonuses are tempting enough to make a big deal out of it at this stage, i think is going to take sov influence to get those not involved in dust to really start to care


Thank you. This makes a lot of sense. I like that this will have the effect of adding "terrain" to space, albeit limited to Temperate Planets in Molden Heath at the moment. Still, with all bonuses, margins will be great in Molden Heath while it remains the only Region open to Planetary Conquest...which may make it the wealthiest Region in New Eden, if only for a while.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).

cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-05-15 20:11:19 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:

And can corp directors now kick without the 24h delays too?


No.


ok, why can a member leave right away but as a leader of a corp i have to wait 24 hours to remove him, i could understand if at war but i'm sure you guys could code for that?
Ricc Deckard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-05-16 07:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ricc Deckard
Applying to another corp did NOT work instantly for me. I am in stasis right now with four of my chars (directors and not).

I applied to the other corp. When trying to accept, the ceo of the new corp got the message that I still have roles. I dropped them and now the error says, that I am in a 24 hr stasis. So pretty much the same behavior as before :)
E'lyna Mis Dimaloun
REUNI0N
Against ALL Authorities
#91 - 2013-05-16 07:44:07 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Alain Colcer wrote:
Its kinda odd that the changes for "quitting corp" were shipped on May 6th, but not disclosed on any patch notes:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-retribution-1.2

Why would you keep such important information from public knowledge albeit being present on the live server?


Because the failure to include them was a mistake, not done on purpose.


Uh-huh. Was this idea pitched to the CSM, or did you accidentally forget that too?
Sol Mortis
An Heroes
#92 - 2013-05-16 07:53:27 UTC
Removing corp quitting timers is a horrible idea.

If somebody is in a corporation war and you are hunting them, they can quit corp as soon as a scout alt sees you undock to come after them. The timer is much more important than it seems, because it forces people to make a choice in anticipation of risk that will not necessarily pay off.

This essentially removes all risk from warfare for unwilling participants. It completely undermines the entire concept of consequences.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#93 - 2013-05-16 10:27:35 UTC
E'lyna Mis Dimaloun wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Alain Colcer wrote:
Its kinda odd that the changes for "quitting corp" were shipped on May 6th, but not disclosed on any patch notes:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-retribution-1.2

Why would you keep such important information from public knowledge albeit being present on the live server?


Because the failure to include them was a mistake, not done on purpose.


Uh-huh. Was this idea pitched to the CSM, or did you accidentally forget that too?


It was proposed and discussed with the CSM both in our private chat channel and in the private CSM forums.

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Sparkus Volundar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-05-16 14:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sparkus Volundar
Sparkus Volundar wrote:
Why would you change the corporate system to let someone with roles drop Corp and leave without delay but then intentionally leave it so that a Corp cannot kick someone straight away too?

I think these things should be equal because there are pros and cons for having a cooldown timer [or not] for both parties depending on their play styles.


Dear CCP FoxFour,

Bumping my question about Corp leaving/kicking from page 1 as I didn't see this topic covered yet.

It would helpful if the rationale behind the proposal was clearer. Eve corporations are not like RL jobs where a Corp pays someone to work for them and they should have some kind of employee rights. It’s more like a club where people pay a fee/subscription (tax) to be a part of it but if they do something dodgy, the club can stop them coming back.

Off the top of my head, some observations and consequences:

1. Corp property thieves with roles can continue to taunt and/or kill their corpmates for 24 hrs.
2. Corpmate killers with roles can continue to kill their corpmates for 24 hrs.
3. Currently, there is the potential for a Corp to retaliate with PvP in empire space.
4. The proposal lets the thief/killer quit Corp if it looks remotely like they could suffer consequences.

This post isn’t a request to make Eve fluffy and remove the chance for point 1 or 2 to occur. It is made it to try and retain the slim chance that a corpmate killer/thief could suffer consequences in Empire space after their actions.

So instead of removing the Resign Roles And Quit timer whilst retaining the inability to kick someone who had roles for 24 hours, I would suggest the following:

A. Leave the timer the same for both parties but reduce it from 24 hrs.
B. Remove the 24 timer for both parties to prevent it seeming to only serve as griefing mechanic.

Regards,
Sparks

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-05-16 23:12:47 UTC
Don't hand out roles willy-nilly?

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Orion Kilo
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-05-17 11:09:36 UTC
If you have made an instant way out of the corporation, why not do an instant start of the war?Roll Because why not
my opinion, these changes amount to
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#97 - 2013-05-18 07:19:23 UTC
No comment on the impact of this change on Wardecs?

The Tears Must Flow

Chris Winters
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-06-19 02:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Chris Winters
I'm getting a Corp Stasis of 24 hours. I was the CEO and dropped the ceo role but I'm still in the corp. Now I'm applying to my new friends corp and I'm getting a corp stasis of 24 hours.

Is this still an effect? If I completely quit out of the corp into an NPC corp would my new CEO be able to accept me into the corp? Because that's what it seems to do on Sisi but I'm getting the Corp Stasis on tranq

Halp
Chris Winters
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2013-06-19 07:25:41 UTC
Update: So I quit the corp straight to an NPC corp and I was accepted into the corp no problems. It works well if you just straight quit the corp instead of staying in a player corp and then trying to get into another player corp
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#100 - 2013-06-20 13:56:11 UTC
This does not work at all. Tried do join another corp directly; CEO could not accept app because of recent roles. Then on another char I tried to quit corp first to go into npc corp, also did not work because of stasis period.

In short, this supposed feature simply does not exist Roll

Anyone knows whether I need to be in a station to complete the joining of a corp when the application was already filed from a station?

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