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Dear CCP Tallest: T2 Missiles?
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#1 - 2011-11-05 08:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Iam Widdershins
What, if any, are your thoughts on T2 missiles?

A couple updates back, the test database included the removal of penalties from Javelin, Rage, Precision, and Fury missiles of all sizes. Recently, they were reinstated. This makes me sad.

Currently, the drawbacks in damage-dealing from Rage and Fury missiles (huge explosion radius) frequently make them a poor trade-off for faction missiles, even ignoring the increased incoming damage from the signature radius bloom.

Likewise, Javelin and Precision missiles are nice and all, but their damage output (particularly that of Javelin) is already greatly reduced; additional reductions of ship speed only serve to worsen their prospects in PVP -- if you're having trouble getting into range, loading Javelin only makes your problems worse. As it stands, Javelin missiles are rarely used in PVP due to the speed penalty, while those penalties have little to no effect in PVE. The problem with Precision missiles is similar.

There have been no announcements about missiles yet. Are there any specific plans for T2 missiles? Do you indeed plan to make this change? It feels a long time coming.

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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#2 - 2011-11-05 18:30:09 UTC
Bump! I'd really like to know!

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#3 - 2011-11-06 00:34:18 UTC
I too would like to know.

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#4 - 2011-11-06 17:37:42 UTC
bump.

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Harold Tuphlos
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-06 17:40:25 UTC
I too think this needs to be bumped every ten hours on a weekend.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#6 - 2011-11-07 18:45:12 UTC
Still interested in this.

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-11-07 19:08:55 UTC
as long as heavy missile range is nerfed, im happy. not saying this will happen, but it would be ideal.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#8 - 2011-11-07 19:10:43 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
as long as heavy missile range is nerfed, im happy. not saying this will happen, but it would be ideal.

No it wouldn't. That would be horrible, and everyone would hate you. There is no good reason to nerf HML range.

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-07 19:13:37 UTC
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-07 19:20:06 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.


Why do you want to nerf the Caracal? Come on, it's an alright ship in a few roles, but it's hardly OP.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-11-07 19:30:11 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.


Why do you want to nerf the Caracal? Come on, it's an alright ship in a few roles, but it's hardly OP.


I wanna nerf the fooking Tengu
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-07 20:53:46 UTC
Then why are you also nerfing the Caracal?
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#13 - 2011-11-07 21:37:39 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.


Why do you want to nerf the Caracal? Come on, it's an alright ship in a few roles, but it's hardly OP.


I wanna nerf the fooking Tengu

Confirming this man is sad/mad about missiles.

That's so weird.

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Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#14 - 2011-11-09 15:23:46 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
..removal of penalties from Javelin, Rage, Precision, and Fury missiles of all sizes.

this, make t2 missiles usable, everybody has t2 launchers and use faction missilesUgh
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-11-09 16:37:46 UTC
I to would like clear statement on this matter by CCP. Smile
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#16 - 2011-11-09 16:49:15 UTC
Gempei wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:
..removal of penalties from Javelin, Rage, Precision, and Fury missiles of all sizes.

this, make t2 missiles usable, everybody has t2 launchers and use faction missilesUgh

To be fair, everyone has T2 guns and usually uses faction ammo, but while things like Barrage and Scorch are considered commonplace and necessary, I almost never see anyone using Javelin missiles (because they suck).

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Zelphinine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-09 17:13:06 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.


Why do you want to nerf the Caracal? Come on, it's an alright ship in a few roles, but it's hardly OP.


I wanna nerf the fooking Tengu
Why do you want to nerf like the only Caldari ship that doesn't suck at doing its job?
Kalar Freno
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-10 10:14:55 UTC
Bumping this in the hope of a response. Inquiring minds would like to know whether these changes are likely to be implemented.
Alsyth
#19 - 2011-11-10 11:36:45 UTC
CPP, please, answer us.


Why do you hate missiles, and make hail OVERPOWERED ?
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-10 12:25:57 UTC
Zelphinine wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
heavy missiles are off the wall bra. their range is ridiculous and needs to be toned down.


Why do you want to nerf the Caracal? Come on, it's an alright ship in a few roles, but it's hardly OP.


I wanna nerf the fooking Tengu
Why do you want to nerf like the only Caldari ship that doesn't suck at doing its job?


If you read his other thread it's because he's mad at the 100mn tengu owning everything.

Of course he jumps right to missiles and not the purple elephant in the room, the 100mn afterburner on a cruiser hull.

The viability of rage depends entirely on the situation. Precisions however are useless in every situation compared to faction or even regular missiles of the same class. Precisions could use some love especially with destroyers getting their sig buff. Now precisions could find a niche as the go to anti destroyer missile.
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