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I totally just became a "Holder", but it's inconvenient. What to do?

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#21 - 2013-06-18 17:41:34 UTC
Just hand him over the Imperial authorities and be on your way.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#22 - 2013-06-18 17:59:35 UTC
You will have to forgive me as some of these names are unfamiliar to me, but if I understand correctly, you found the slave within Amarr territory?

If that is the case, you really only have one option and that would be to hand over the individual to the lawful authorities or a representative appointed by the Empire.

I realize that I am going to draw flak from many sources, but the Empire and Kingdom, by law, allow for the ownership of slaves and have a system in place for who can and cannot own as well as rules governing the treatment of said slaves. And I realize that it would be naive to assume all is bright and shiny, but I would suspect cases of abuse to be the exception.

At any rate, if you are not dutifully entitled to own a slave, Miss Ji-Young, it would be prudent to listen to the advice given by others and deliver the person to either PIE or the local authority.

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A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-18 19:12:51 UTC
Law must retain useful ways to break with traditional forms, because nothing is more certain than that the forms of law remain when all justice is gone.

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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#24 - 2013-06-18 19:42:07 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Law must retain useful ways to break with traditional forms, because nothing is more certain than that the forms of law remain when all justice is gone.


Slavery is a very touchy subject. I would rather everyone be free, but that in itself is problematic as well. I think the Empire could eventually phase out slavery, but that is something that would need to take place within the Empire.

In an effort to not turn this discussion into something else, feel free to engage me in a private discussion.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-06-18 21:18:36 UTC
How about doing the right thing and letting him go??

I wouldn't want to have to kill you dear.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#26 - 2013-06-18 23:29:28 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
How about doing the right thing and letting him go??

I wouldn't want to have to kill you dear.

Let's skip the ineffectual threat and jump to the question of whether just letting a slave 'go' is the right thing.

After being stuffed in a jetcan and left for dead, let us just plop down a man with no money or identification on a random station or planet where he knows no one. How long is he going to survive? He's already traumatized. If you take him to a non-Amarr station, he won't be able to speak the language.

At this point, you're saving him from one death but leading him to another.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2013-06-19 00:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zelarrs Elkoth
Silas Vitalia wrote:

Whoever wins, we lose.


As you should.

But seriously, Ms Kim, you cannot own that slave legally without the auspices of an Imperially designated Holder. You should turn him over to PIE or any appropriate legal entity to avoid further legal entanglements.

If you've grown fond of him, it is possible to get him back as long as it is arranged through an applicable Holder. (Provided he is a legally reclaimed servant.)

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Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#28 - 2013-06-19 01:00:39 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
How about doing the right thing and letting him go??

I wouldn't want to have to kill you dear.


If I had let him go he'd likely already be dead or in jail. I'm trying to do the humane thing here. This guy can't even speak his own name, how is he going to fare on the street with no support, not well I suspect.

Silas Vitalia wrote:
It's a grudge match! Young and the Ston-ites in a contest for least relevant, most idiotic waste of potential.

Whoever wins, we lose.



You're assuming I have actual potential that is being wasted. Now who's the idiot. LolLolLolLolLolLol

lots of smart PIE folks wrote:
Give him to us you clearly don't know what you're doing.


Wow - there is so much more to it than I thought. Thanks to all at PIE for your friendly, intelligent and wise advice as always, and for resolving my issue. I'll contract the slave over to PIE later today. Can someone from PIE please nominate themselves as the recipient and also tell me which station they would prefer to have the slave delivered to (anywhere in Amarr hisec is good for me) and I'll see to it. Thanks again!



Liberty Roach
October Country
#29 - 2013-06-19 01:18:40 UTC
Heya, Kimmie!

You know, it looks to me like you is seriously overthinking this one. What I think you should do is hire yourself a good number two bloke. First mate, XO, office manager, personal secretary, consigliere, butler with benefits, whatever you fancy calling the job. Then, whenever you get a problem like this, just write a post-it note or whatever saying "this is a problem, sort it out", stick the note on the problem and send its arse right to number two's desk. Then never think of it again.
Kim Ji-Young
Ji Young Kim Bap
#30 - 2013-06-19 05:01:12 UTC
Liberty Roach wrote:
Heya, Kimmie!

You know, it looks to me like you is seriously overthinking this one. What I think you should do is hire yourself a good number two bloke. First mate, XO, office manager, personal secretary, consigliere, butler with benefits, whatever you fancy calling the job. Then, whenever you get a problem like this, just write a post-it note or whatever saying "this is a problem, sort it out", stick the note on the problem and send its arse right to number two's desk. Then never think of it again.


That just means you'll then have to read posts on here from him instead of me.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-19 07:40:21 UTC
I would happily take the gentleman in question off your hands for you if you like.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-06-19 07:57:26 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
I would happily take the gentleman in question off your hands for you if you like.


How droll, do try to keep up now; offers of this nature were said to be unacceptable on the first page.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#33 - 2013-06-19 08:25:36 UTC
Ummmm, I kinda though holders had to have a title....that's what Ithi told me.

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Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#34 - 2013-06-19 09:12:13 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Kim Ji-Young wrote:

When you say "liquify" do you mean that metaphorically (as in liquidating assets) , or literally (as in making a human slushie)? Because that's just weird. In any event I'm not sure that I would go down this path anyway, seems a bit shady and I'm the honest above-board non-shady type.


Liquidating assets.
If you are looking for a literal alternative, you'll have to find a Blood Raider; I don't socialize with those kind of people.



...Bai'xao Meiyi?


Is Sani Sabik by faith, and is actually actively fighting Blood Raiders.
There is a difference, I'd kindly suggest learning it before making random outbursts of stupidity like that in public.
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#35 - 2013-06-19 09:44:33 UTC
Blood Raiders are San Sabik. Saying someone is San Sabik is in no way a defense against the suggestion they're a Blood Raider.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#36 - 2013-06-19 09:52:51 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Blood Raiders are San Sabik. Saying someone is San Sabik is in no way a defense against the suggestion they're a Blood Raider.



Oh well. I'll explain it to you. Very slowly.
Sani Sabik is a matter of one's personal beliefs; Angel Cartel welcomes people of all ethnicities, bloodlines, skin colour, gender, sexual preference, religious beliefs, et cetera. Blood Raiders are a vicious cult who happen to be Sani Sabik, and given their alliance with the Sansha's Nation and Guristas, are considered to-be-shot-at-sight targets to the Angel Cartel.

If that hasn't been satisfactory, do contact some Angel Cartel Sabik for a more detailed explanation, like above mentioned ms. Bai'xao Meiyi or mr. Vaden Khale.

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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-06-19 10:01:47 UTC
Letting him go is not a problem, just bring him to any republic world or official. It might surprise you but it happens more often, not all amarrians are barbarians you know. Some are decent folk, its a shame you lot insist on religious fundemantalism that all about hurting others.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#38 - 2013-06-19 10:07:52 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Letting him go is not a problem, just bring him to any republic world or official. It might surprise you but it happens more often, not all amarrians are barbarians you know. Some are decent folk, its a shame you lot insist on religious fundemantalism that all about hurting others.


I don't recall anyone mentioning he's of matari ethnicity though.
Even then, I can't think of any slave stupid enough to want to move to the Republic.
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kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-06-19 10:35:41 UTC
In contrary to what many think the republic welcomes all freed slaves and is willing to help them get a new start. Not saying it is always easy, but with help a freed slave can settle anywhere, although it would be best for him to avoid the amarrian empire and subsidiaries. He is still someones property and doesnt belong to the dear lady and he can still get executed for failing to guard that container..
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#40 - 2013-06-19 11:00:54 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
In contrary to what many think the republic welcomes all freed slaves and is willing to help them get a new start.


By discriminating and lynching them, you mean?
Or do you consider that was just a new start for Abel Jarek? I don't know what Tribal afterlife is supposed to look like, after all.
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