Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I like the MJD but it's not what I was recommending.

I was talking about a Jump Drive similar to that of bridging devices used on Black Ops / Titans but for personal use only (like normal cyno jumps). That technology has been around for quite some time.

Yeah, I think the gate system is pretty 'set in stone' so to speak.


And yeah I completely agree that if done wrong it would be completely unbalancing. It's a tough subject, and therefor I don't think it's going to be on any real 'to do' list for awhile.

Neither is clicking the Undock button, but as we've seen with Odyssey's release, it got moved to be more apparent for newer players (and possibly because ISDs went insane after answering the "How Do I Undock" question for the past 10 years in Rookie Chat).




Just because something is currently inconsistent doesn't mean we should add to it. I know of no inconsistencies with the Inferno Chronicle, or contradictions so if I missed it feel free to point it out.

Jumping without Gates? YES
Removing Gates? NO

I suggest to make possible to install Micro Jump Drives on some specific ships - the BIG ones. ;)
Such ships would be able to plot a navigation curse (takes some time - several minutes?). Then that pilot would get projected time that would take him and his fleet to reach destination.

If pilot accepts then Jumpdrive mechanics would be projected on ships in fleet.
Pilot selects 'Jump', jumpdrive starts to charge up (slowly) and then journey begins.

So generally speaking - almost all the ships would just tag along.
The more ships (collective mass?) the longer it will take to reach destination.

Owners of system will get notification of incoming Jump signature early enough to prepare but not too early leaving some margin for a bit of chaos. ;) - lets say half of time needed to jump to the closest system

Jumping from and to highsec would be prohibited by factions army (unless all members of jumping fleet are participating in FW).
Jumping to lowsec is prohibited for non participants of FW. Jumping from lowsec - available to all.



Before gates ware established - someone had to travel there in such time that spending huge amount of time and resources on building Gates - was the most reasonable way to do if permanent connection to empires was even considered.


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...and this opens whole new possibilities in light of making our own gates that was mentioned to be in future!
Plenty of systems without gates that somehow players need to reach to build gate on other side!

Would open whole new chapter in Exploration history.
Especially if we add some chaotic systems with possibility of high prize but with no possibility to build gates there.

So
Step 1.
Add fleet jump drives.
Add conquerable systems where gates can be build.


Step 2.
Add squad jump drives with very limited jump distance and mass that jumpdrive can carry along.
Add wild, unconquerable systems ready to be explored.
Add subspace beacons to mark systems (simple bookmarking would not work; beacons can be found by other explorers and destroyed or hacked and taken over so better find some nice spot for it, or use more beacons). Scanning in search for treasures would be on same rules like now


Step 3.
Add mobile refinery industrial ships that would be used in such systems from step 2 where some very rare and extremely profitable ores had been found.

In wild systems can be found special ores, death, disappointment, ancient technologies, some more disappointment.

Now THAT would be exploration themed expansion...

There has to be some level of safety in high sec. As for zero risk, that's a load of crap. Suicide gankers, declarations of war, manipulation of game mechanics (auto-target back specifically comes to mind); there are multitude of risk factors even in high security space.

Getting to a null sec entrance safely doesn't really mean squat if there is a gate camp on the other side (which is common for any pipeline) regardless of what you're flying, the risk is still present. Covert Ops Frigates can be caught, difficult but not impossible. As for Jump Freighters moving stuff to null.. it's what they are for. And plenty of them still die in glorious fires. Intel channels will only get you so far as well, there aren't eyes in every system on every gate.

Why nerf Jump Drives? It's already expensive to fuel jumps. I don't see how nerfing Jump Drives creates more risk. MJD are a great new mechanic that while it might need tweaking(haven't used them myself yet so I can't say) they don't need to be nerfed.

It sounds like you want a bloodbath 24/7 in all areas of space.. which is fine.. but it isn't going to happen. There's plenty of risk in high sec; aside from the off-grid boosting faggotry that needs to go, I see no reason why there should be more.

Okay, so my maths was way off. Still, let's have a look.


To go from, say, Jita to...VFK?

29 hours.

Jita to 6VDT?

45 hours.

HED-GP?

Another 45 hours.

Another angle. VFK to J5A (As in, a common enough trip in the current war.)

39 hours.

Why the hell would anyone want to live in nullsec when it tales four days to make a round trip to Jita? And why fight when you need a day and a half just to get to the front lines?

It depends on how things are implemented. Some gateless ideas have direct travel, some still use the map and its current layout.

Think outside the fishbowl.

There are many ways it could be implemented... but to implement it right would take an amazing amount of dev work. In general, this idea pops up because people want to "bypass" gate camps. In general, this idea pops up because they want to explore space in a more "safe" manner.

Just look at some of the suggestions... Warp directly to a fleet mate, 50% warning that a pilot is entering system before it enters, etc, etc, etc.

Look at your 1-au bubble: Yeah... that'll catch about 2% of the traffic heading into a solar system. Furthermore, it suddenly requires scanning a ship down if it happens to get caught by your bubble, so you could warp to it! WTF, really? You realize this screws over a lot of solo PvP? Much of solo PvP involves using gate tactics to separate opponents until you find one you can gank and run. This can be done with bubbles (and suddenly needing a prober to scan down targets hurts most pvp setups a ton!); this can be done by having people agress on one side, going through a gate and killing someone that tried to follow; this involves stringing people out along a series of gates until the "fastest opponent" finds themselves to far from backup, where you can kill them and run. But how/why would they chase you if they won't land in the same place in a solar system, as it becomes trivial to evade people!!!!

Do you understand what the most dangerous part of traveling is? It's going through a gate in which you have no clue what's on the other end. You remove that, and suddenly travel is much, much safer. And FYI, evading people while "in a system" is complete, and amazingly easy already. Take away the travel danger between systems, and most of the remaining PvP is consensual only!

A well thought out idea is NOT what the Op posted... uhg!!

Actually, when I "gate camp", I catch people warping to a gate. I do so in a very easily avoidable style, too... if they simply warp to a bookmark around gate, or warp to any celestial before warping to my "gate camp", they avoid the bubble and get away fine..

At the same time, when roaming, we use bubblers and inties to catch/trap people out traveling, and while you may call that "spawn camping", if they bothered with a scout we'd rarely catch anything.

Furthermore, you never addressed my concern about how your pretty much destroying the most common means to get fights as a solo PvP'er... i.e. using gates to split up forces so you can kill a straggler!

Anyone ever play frontier? now that was a galaxy, eve pales in comparison.

You could analyze peoples hyperspace bubbles and intercept them on the other side, similarly, in the older elite games thargoids had technology that would drop you out of hyperspace (and into witch space) and had 8 galaxies each with many more times the systems of eve.

For many sci-fi spaceship game players eve is great but the whole sov (empire building) thing makes the map seem incredibly small, if it took several days to get to some edge of the galaxy a lot of players would do it, just so they could get away from all that jazz, and it would interestingly, also provide more space for newer fledgling alliances to form their own sov.

Personally i think eve would be a million times better if it was twice as big with less pipes