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That seems like something that could've been easily found if someone just bothered to look

Troll 0 / 10

1. Demands a CCP response.
2. Uses phrase "slap in the face".
3. Makes derogatory remarks towards other posters.
4. Describes a failure to adapt to the sandbox: their play-style disrupted by others.

Well, unlike nullsec, you don't get local to alert you that someone is in the system. Even mining with protection, can get you fubar'd. Makes an industrialists life harder if you can't produce the minerals to build the assets you want.



Bold text obviously shows that CCP has no idea what mining in a WH is like. Why not just remove all gravs from WHs period? I mean, we have little to no protection to begin with. Even with scouts on wormholes, its hard to mine. CCP has ruined mining for small corporations who can't bolster a 30 man tech 3 fleet to defend their hole. Seeing core or combat probes on scan was our cue to grab everything we can, and get the hell out of dodge. You get zero warning, oh except for when they decloak on you.




1. Ever demand something from a business that did something you didn't like? i.e. charge you for a fee you don't think you deserved? Ever demand someone pay you for something that they said they would? The world revolves around demands.

2. I could use a smack to the d*ck if you'd like.

3. Define derogatory. Lol.

4. Failure to adapt? Oh no, you're quite wrong, I did adapt. Its called I sold all of my industry equipment, and self-destructed my rorqual. Its completely pointless to live in a class 2 wormhole when you're hole is more active than a hooker in vegas.

5. You failed to comprehend what I stated before, I'm not angry, I'm frustrated and want to know CCP's response to this. The system before was not broken, it was fair. If players couldn't figure out how to gank someone in a grav site or another cosmic sig, they should learn. If you haven't been noticed when you come in the wh, dscan for them, figure their range out, drop combat probes, and nail them. I've done it hundreds of times. I learned that nifty trick from Talocan United and Polarized. How'd I learn that? Being ganked by them, then asking how they got me. Simple as that.

You missed the point, I'm blaming CCP for a lame change that shouldn't have been changed. It was fair before, now its not balanced. Scouts are only good if you've been there long enough to see anything that comes in. Say you start mining at 0400, well, what if a K162 pops up, and they leave a cloaky tengu in the wormhole? Scouts don't mean crap. I've had people leave cov ops in WHs before, and just wait. The other day, I did it myself, I helped gank a Ferox & Mackinaw in a class 3 wormhole. I left my alt in, and waited for them to start mining, and just jumped my tengus in, and ganked them.

Forgot to comment on the second part of your comment;

Wormholes are an excellent source for minerals. My wormhole, since the latest expansion has 2 - 4x more gravs in it, than I ever had before. I have 4 gravs right now, and 2 of them are Isolated Cores, which give Mercoxit. The last time we had one of those was 3 months ago. They may not be as good as nullsec, but they are still better than having nothing. You forget, to live in null you need a powerful alliance or to rent space. Wormholes are fairly free, unless you buy one. Point is, its better to have that little bit, than to have none at all. Supplemental income is better than no income.

Again though, you didnt really address my point about wasting your time mining in a WH





Or alternatively, you could mine in things that are easy to build and replace





Why should a WH be safer than null anyway?

Booo.

1. WH mining has always sucked. Well not as much the mining part, but what you do after mining. Either spending forever hauling ore out (PITA). Compress and still haul tons of compressed ore out (PITA, heavy investmen) or refine at a 75% capped efficiency (also crap).

2. It's not just about wormholes. The largest collection of miners are in high sec, who now have easier access to ore anoms than before, win for them.

Im sure there are plenty of other points. But that's as much as i have time for at the moment

It took me less time to find the information you requested than it did for you to whine about how hard it was to find. All there is left to do is argue with you.

It was always supposed to be hard to live in a wormhole. There are better places to mine.

Where did you address the poor quality of resources in a WH? Ive reread all your previous posts and you didnt mention it.

I have no idea what this about frigates has come from either.

As far as I could see, your point was that you were annoyed because you wanted a reason why CCP has made it harder for your miners to make a living without being attacked.

No one has ever suggested WHs should be easy or even feasible for a small corp to run.


So if I have missed your point again, I apologise but you should try and make it a little clearer. Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt make them a "troll".


And "Maths".

In my opinion the OP has a point.

Mining in wormholes is just not worth the risk after moving grav sites to anomalies. I can see CCP's logic on this applied to null sec and miners there having the instant intel that is local chat warping out when seeing a neut in system, but in wormholes there's no local. The d-scan is not a solution to this because of cloaks. It was fair enough before when one could get into the wormhole, scan the sites and wait to see if any miner goes to the site, then go and try to kill that miner. It was fair because it required effort. Now you don't need to do all that stuff, you just hop into the wormhole and warp to the grav site...

I think CCP should consider moving grav sites back to signatures only for w-space. For k-space it's OK gravs to be anomalies because of local.

OP, I give you +1 and don't feed the trolls because they will come for more.

Edit: You should change the name of the thread to "Ore Sites in Wormholes" or something like this.