Player Features and Ideas Discussion

no it's not the letter of pardon is only for the pirate faction warfare pilot's.

for those not in it have the security grind for tag's
also pirate faction warfare pilots have no use for the tags as they will be negative standings by default!!!
only way for them is the pardon letter system.

they are still free to farm them and sell.
using them has no use
as an outlaw you will have a minimum standing of -5

so this is not in anyway having a negative effect on the new security grind system.

now its your choice are you a pirate entity in your own corp or alliance and have to grind standings for access in high sec.
or are you going to be a pirate in Factional aspect and use pardon letter's

the freedom of choice is on your own hands there.

quite a slab of text but ill bite.

one thing will be more clear that Pirates in pirate Faction Warfare are more clearly to really fit a combat ship and go hunting wich will even hurt the farmers more.
nowday's it's just warpcore stabs and run as soon as something flashy shows up.

the pirates currently lose interest and go search for a new target after a few attempts.
in this version of FW i discribe you will be able as a pirate to take over the site the same way by orbiting the object in the site.
so more reason for pirates to stick around and this can hurt the farmers in general.
ofcourse pirates can just do the same and the empirea factions can counter it the same way.

the petty easy farmer that just orbits to grind LP and buy goodies to sell for a main toon.
will become harder now.

the same way to gain tier 1 to 5 control of FW space will be copied onto the pirates aswell they can also fight for this and i dont see any problem with the LP stores and the mechanics
the isk sink will more likely go into the losses and rise of skirmishes.

plus the pardons are also an sink.
looking into it the isk sink and rules applied to a pirate are harder then a regular FW pilot as they keep control over HI-Sec and have resupplies.
the Pirates will have to make a trade Hub of goodies in their respective rookie systems.
wich are not so porfitable of ores or what so ever.

i would strongly reccomend that only basic skillbooks are distributed by NPC's
advanced skill should be imported from empire as you have a wide hostile space around you a pirate has to rely on transports towards the little tortuga's.
even with an non FW alt yo uwil lahve a problem to get the goods even close to the area.
not everyone can fly a blockade runner or a jumpfreighter.
and so will have anything else besides a free rookie ship when you get blown up.
The smart pilot's will pick a grain by creatign the resources in that hub and make a market that is msot likely to be more expensive then hello kitty space
this will make a harsh enviroment were only the true pirate can live.

and i completely agree with you on that current FW is nothing more then a ATM machine.
all in all i think this could make a change to it, maybe not fully but partially it wil lchange the landscape of FW

I'm here to bump this, even tho it's high. I REALLY WANT this more than anything to be implemented to this game.

Honestly it would be end game for me. I'm pretty sure i would stick to this. I already did like FW. But as i was starting game i was hoping i can somehow work for glory of Blood Raiders etc. In the end all i can do is some stupid missions in null sec ;/. It doesn't feel like i'm doing anything for those factions - so i don't even bother.

But i still think that low sec should be bigger overral. Especially with more FW. Null is too big...

Don't get me wrong i don't want null sec to be gone - but many people would stick to low sec no doubt if it was big enough.
Low sec is the only non carebear friendly place (maybe whs too). And what more it's also solo/small gang friendly - and FW is about that.

this is exactly one of the feelings i have aswell running pirate faction missions is not realy contributing to the faction but only the wallet.
i want to see change in that .

Alternatively, I've thought that there really needs to be an overhaul to the way we interact with empire corps/ faction corps. I think we can still see the amount of shares that are available for each corp, but it would be really neat if we could somehow get involved in the ownership of those shares and became invested in their growth or destruction.

If somehow the networth of each faction/empire corp was in constant flux as a result of player actions, such as LP fees, payouts, services performed, office rental payments in stations, skillbooks bought, POS charters bought, etc. then the more isk going in, the higher the corp's networth increases.

Players could have the option of turning corp LP into shares of a corp and a share would always be weighted in proportion to LP. Basically, you could invest your LP into a corp, watch the value of your shares rise, and then cash out for a greater return.

However, occaisionally, having greater stakes in various companies could come with new kinds of influence. After having so many accumulated shares you could be designated with titles and claim offices within these corporations even without being members of the corp...this is in another post to come...

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first of all with pirates having a goal to stick aorund in the sites and run them would be 1 way the current majority of warp core gayalizing farmers wil have a harder time as the good old hunters in general now has a purpose to stick around in the site to earn his LP

all in all the discount of the LP store is what kills the market flooding currently that is something CCP should nerf or atleast tweak
i wont have a direct answer to this issue and it is something am brainstorming over with a few of my corp members how to counter act this.

on tech II implants and pirates ship BPC's they should keep the vallue so it's not for everyone.
i am looking in a mechanic that dictates your LP income by looking if you fly a pirate faction ship and maybe even the respective pirate faction ship of your faction.
this would keep the pirates to have a fresh stock of shps if they blow one up. and not flood each blueprint or implant on the market. directly only after a while when he stocked his reserves.

and maybe ccp has to change the discount on lp for faction warfare
si it still cost the same no matter what control lvl of the system you have.

2 ideas that could change the pace of LP gain and isk sinks on using faction ships
this will also force the factions to fly shiney wich will look nice on the killboards as they pop eachother.
in general i teach my pilot that a tech one hull with well designed fit is super if piloted correct.

but for this i say your working for the navy fly navy your a angel fly a cynabal etc etc.
that way maybe give 40% boost in LP gain and wrong faction ships -20% lp gain.
plain tech I ships no penalty but take away the discount of LP and Isk when controlling the system.

this way the demand grows as more people want to fly shiney to have the bonus LP.

example
you are a angel pilot
you fly a machariel this way when you kill faction enemies or finish a site you gain 40% more boost.
now you fly a vindicator it is still a pirate factio nship but not your faction hte bonus is now only 20%
now you fly a megatron navy issue as an angel pilot this will give you a negative effect and your lP gain will be -20% of normal.
now we switch out to a regular megatron and the LP gain is balanced ot normal no bonus no penalties just normal.
but no discount on the control of the system. in the LP store.
maybe motivate tech II ships for 30% bonus on LP.

the same mechanic should apply to the empire factions.
this might be a way to stop or to streamline the drop of item vallue by mass flooding it on the market.
there needs to be a supply and demand balance for this i wont say this is it it is just an idea that might solve it partially
but to go deeper in this i would need far more proffesional data from the market then the current graphs give in eve.

and i would gladly gravel in that data with a team to analyze this

yup thats how it works

No it wouldn't be a sov mechanic. And you couldn't buy it. Well not directly, you'd have to grind LP to get it. I think of it more like an aristocracy. You get LP which leads to the ability to administer a stations in different spaces. Shares+standing allows you different access to titles/roles in those faction corps. You lose your standing you lose your title. The point would be that you would SINK effort/isk/LP into an asset that you can't liquidate. Then you could get influence through a kind of automated procedural voting system that lets you influence things like LP store returns, regional taxes, factional standings, political appointments, and diplomatic effects.

1) Each faction station gets a governor. Each governor gets to cast a vote, when procedural issues come up relevant to them. Example procedural vote: "Your corporation "Freedom Extension" is interested in raising taxes to support security in its lowsec space. Do you support raising the repair rates by 10% and docking costs to 10,000 isk per vessel with a standing of 0.0 or lower in all Freedom Extension stations?"

2) Governors can then run for various corporate council positions depending on corp size. Corporate Council members can initiate or veto procedurally generated votes relevant to their corporation. They can also petition their faction for a vote.
Example: Caldari Business Tribunal has 90 stations (therefore 90 governors). They have 5 council members (1 per 18 governors). One council member initiates a vote to set a particular corporation -10.00 standing, and the vote must pass with majority. This lower standing will mean hostile station defenses and higher operating expenses in station. It could also potentially negatively affect a corporation's empire standing preventing them from anchoring POSes and many systems.

3) Finally corporate council position holders can be selected as faction bureacrats. These players can initiate votes that impact faction-wide standings against other NPC factions or sovereignty holding alliances. Basically, you could impact whether faction navys can automatically attack certain corporations if they linger in system.

This would effectively give some character to each corporation, cause a kind of conflict driver, rivalries, and create a new highsec/lowsec meta.