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Settle this once and for all, is it worth salvaging a mission when you're solo?

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Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-17 20:34:22 UTC
I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.
Mykal Day
Chocobo Industries
#2 - 2013-06-17 20:41:38 UTC
As far as I know it isn't worth it.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-17 20:55:43 UTC
Take the middle road. Send out salvage drones while you getting to the gate or repping your shield/armor.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#4 - 2013-06-17 20:55:54 UTC
There isn't really a "once and for all" answer. It depends on a large number of factors, including (but not limited to):

  • Your salvaging skills
  • Your combat skills
  • Your Social skills
  • Your market skills
  • Your reprocessing skills and corp standing
  • How much you can get for the NPC corp's LP
  • Your available mission ships
  • Which missions you accept
  • Your skill/tolerance for market games
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-17 21:17:27 UTC
Sometimes.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-06-17 21:25:49 UTC
There are way, way too many variables to figure this out "once and for all". Hell, it even shifts depending on the price of salvage.

Best idea: try it out. Run missions like mad for ten hours. Work out an hourly rate. Run missions and salvage for ten hours. Work out another hourly rate. Compare. Try to identify critical factors. You might find that, I don't know, salvaging is worthwhile for missions where you get armor plates, and worthwhile on all missions if tripped power circuits are above a certain value. You just have to test it out; there's no magic answer.

We do know, however, that the fast you can complete missions the less worthwhile it is to salvage -- especially if you have a half-decent LP conversion rate. Whether you're in that position is something only you can determine.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-17 21:30:02 UTC
I salvage everything in a maxed out Noctis, and I get a lot more more from the salvage on most L4s than I get from bounties and mission rewards. Especially with the way NPCs eat drones now, running the mission itself is basically break even when you figure the lost drones and ammo. Salvaging only costs you time without any ammo or drones burned up, and it takes me less time to salvage any mission than it took to clear it, so spending less time, to get more ISK, with no resources burned, is nearly always more productive than running another mission in the same time.

That said, if I had something that could clear missions quicker than a T2 fitted Mael, or if I ran in a pimped out T3 and blitzed everything, stopping only to loot tags, then maybe then I'd make more per hour just running them nonstop.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?

Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2013-06-17 21:58:10 UTC
1. Define "worth it"
2. If you live and breathe grinding missions and making lousy isk from mission rewards and bounties as fast as possible, nothing but trolling the cheat pages, killing, and running back to an agent matter.

There's nothing else to say. How fast you go beyond that depends on what you consider fun, whether the loot and salvage is worth it to you, and whether you buy the elitist line of crap that gets dished out daily here.

I salvage all L4's and L3's; I sell the valuable loot on the market, keep all salvage material to build and sell T1 rigs, and use many of the non-valuable loot to help with my invention success rates. To me, personally, it's very worth it. I make millions doing so, and couldn't really give a flying you-know-what about getting to the next mission in 30 seconds versus four minutes.

I really don't understand why this keeps getting asked. If you guys are so intent to leave behind the ISK on your L4's, message me in-game and I'll clean it up for you. No charge.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2013-06-17 21:58:57 UTC
Mykal Day wrote:
As far as I know it isn't worth it.


Wow. Awesome answer. +1 internets for you. Roll

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-17 22:48:41 UTC
If all you want to min/max your ISK/hour == Blitzing (with market research and sometimes manufacturing)

If that's not the case, do what you like.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-17 23:36:20 UTC
The definitive answer is: "maybe."
Vexidious
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-06-18 04:03:00 UTC
In general, it is worth salvaging in the following circumstances:

1) You are flying a Marauder and are salvaging as you go. (Generally, only the large wrecks.)
2) You have low DPS, and as a result you can make more or equal ISK/hour through salvage.
3) You have medium DPS, and only salvage the more lucrative missions (Angel Extravaganza, etc.)
4) You use an alt to salvage while you are missioning.

If you are flying a high DPS ship, it is generally not worth salvaging (except on an alt). This is especially true if you can get a good LP conversion rate (1000+ ISK/LP).

If you are going to salvage and are not flying a Marauder, do it in a Noctis. It is probably never worth salvaging in a destroyer.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#13 - 2013-06-18 04:35:49 UTC
Salvage drone the shiz out of the pocket as you fight.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#14 - 2013-06-18 06:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
I would have to say YES, it is sort of fun to do it. It's a bit like treasure hunting.
Missions are a bit redundant if you do them often, so adding another profitable game play is enjoyable.

I have a dedicated Maxed out Noctis pilot that is part of my 4 toon fleet, he tags along and loots/salvages all missions. Here is my game play and profit examples.


I run 4 missions at a time (each toon gets one from the same agent) and the salvager averages around 60m ISK in salvage/loot for all four combined. Sometimes it's more, but rarely less. I takes about an hour to do all 4 missions if they are spread out. I wouldn't do it if I didn't have an alt. If I only play two toons, I don't salvage, just loot with the cargo holds as I kill NPC's.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#15 - 2013-06-18 08:07:17 UTC
Salvaging missions is very worth it, if you cherrypick what to salvage. Knowing which missions to salvage and which aren't worth it takes a bit of experience or interwebs research.

Run missions for about 1.5h, salvage the cherries for <30 mins, profit.


Noctis and halfway decent skills required. Salvaging V will seriously speed up the process.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-06-18 09:03:09 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.


For a few specific missions (eg: Gone Beserk) it is. And ofc missions with empire faction rats, since you're collecting the tags anyway.

Generally, the faster you can do a mission, the more efficient it is to just do another than salvage. So there's no definite answer; missions that are obviously worth salvaging for a 2M SP pilot flying a drake with meta 3 launchers are blitz-fodder for a 50MP SP guy in a Mach.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-06-18 09:11:24 UTC
It isnt worth it solo imo.

what i did was run the missions and contract the wrecks out to salvaging corps such as pro synergy. The cut is 45% to the mission runner 45% to the salvager and 10% to the corp.

They have a website www.prosynergyeve.com

I made plenty of isk that way. Oh if you do decide to go with pro synergy pls tell them i referred u. thanks
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#18 - 2013-06-18 09:13:01 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.


To answer this question for your mission ship, mission speed, LP/ISK rate and rat type you need this things:

- a stop watch
- a calculator
- excel(or other calculation software)
- a bit of time to analyse how much the loot/salvage is worth and how much time you spend to collect it

Now you run missions, take the times with and without salvage/loot and break it down to ISK\h. Then you have your final answer for this question for your ship, play style and LP offers.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-18 09:57:46 UTC
I take it you mean both salvage and loot, because the salvage alone is definitely not worth it.

I use a marauder for missions, and the loot and salvage from hi-sec is not that great. Last time i did a standing grind, i did around 35 missions, and when i was done i think my loot container had an estimated value of around 600M total including a mindlink from a story line missions and implants from the dread pirate.

Without "bonus" loot i would say salvage and loot is around 7M pr mission, but this is mainly because a few missions give extremely good loot while most don't really give anything, eg. gone berserk can easily give 35-50M in loot.

I would say found out which missions are worth looting, and ignore everything else.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-06-18 10:15:02 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
I keep hearing people say that it's not even worth salvaging level IV missions when you're solo, because in the time it takes you to salvage you can do one or two more missions, which net you roughly the same amount of isk. So, is that true? Most times I am soloing missions and salvaging them afterwards (even level Is), but I'm not sure if it's better to not salvage now.


If you have a salvage Alt it is almost always worth it to salvage, if you stop between missions and grab a salvage boat, just know which missions salvage into good value.
For my salvage alt, I just fly in, release a pack of salvager drones, get them working, then lock wrecks and tractor them in. I then go back to the combat pilot window and carry on killing stuff in the next room/next mission, rinse and repeat as needed.

Drone missions have no loot other than the occasional Drone AI (which is worthless afaik), only salvage, so are rarely worth the effort.
Guristas missions CAN be worth it, but the loot items tend to be lower value compared to other rat types
Angels, Blood and Serpentis missions tend to have lots of valuable items and good salvage so are in most cases, worth the effort. However, some specific missions only have 3-4 BS rats so tend to not be worth the time.
Gone Berserk against EOM is ALWAYS worth the time ALWAYS !!!


Missions against Mercenaries are a bit odd. They tend to pay rather well even with low BS numbers.

As a rule of thumb, the more Battleships you killed in the mission, the better the loot/salvage value will be.

TL:DR If you do your own salvage, make the decision based on the type of Rat and the number battleships you killed int he mission. If you run a Salvager Alt, its almost always worth it.
Drone missions are almost never worth the effort.
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