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Bussan
Kabukicho
#1 - 2013-06-07 05:45:13 UTC
Ok, I admit I never really like expansions, because they usually bring too many bugs, so I didn't play much in the last days... Today I logged to start the normal routine on my wh, and try the new scanning system... not bad, I suppose it will just take a bit to get used to it.
But probing down my sigs, I've found 3 statics up at the same time (2 D382 and 1 A239). I saw it happening once before, but one of the statics was almost dead, while now they are all new.
Is it a common bug, after the expansion? or one of them could just be a K162 with a wrong name (I doubt, as on the other side they appear as K162)?
CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-06-07 06:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: CeNSeR
2 will be your statics and the other 1 will be rogue wormhole.

Someday's are just like that with plenty of connections especially if the system has not been scanned for a while.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#3 - 2013-06-07 06:19:25 UTC
Did you verify that the first D382 was still there after you found the second D382? It's possible the WH closed while you were scanning.
Bussan
Kabukicho
#4 - 2013-06-07 06:27:19 UTC
Yes, they are both (the D382) up and with plenty of lifetime (they won't last one more day... etc). I think I activated them warping to them after probing.
That's why I thought it's strange... once happened the same, but one of the wh was at the end of its lifetime...

Censer, what do you mean with rogue wh? wandering ones?
Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
#5 - 2013-06-07 06:46:41 UTC
CeNSeR wrote:
2 will be your statics and the other 1 will be rogue wormhole.

Someday's are just like that with plenty of connections especially if the system has not been scanned for a while.


CeNSeR is correct, its a regular occurrence to find what we call Roaming / Rogue wormholes, they randomly spawn across w-space. One of your D382's is a Roaming / Rogue wormhole, you will find that once it has de-spawned, it wont re-spawn unlike your statics.

Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga
Cosmic Scanner
Overload This
#6 - 2013-06-07 06:47:57 UTC
Bussan wrote:
Yes, they are both (the D382) up and with plenty of lifetime (they won't last one more day... etc). I think I activated them warping to them after probing.
That's why I thought it's strange... once happened the same, but one of the wh was at the end of its lifetime...

Censer, what do you mean with rogue wh? wandering ones?


Yep, wandering wormholes is another term used Smile

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#7 - 2013-06-07 07:01:17 UTC
Odd, according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes , D382 is a static, not a wandering...
Bussan
Kabukicho
#8 - 2013-06-07 07:37:36 UTC
Yeah, that's why asked if he meant that... wandering/roaming ones have different names, of course I've seen some opening on my system sometimes.
But those are both D382, so should be both static... just wanted to know if someone else had the same problem after the expansion, or if it's just an isolated bug.

Sometimes weird things happen... just 2-3 weeks ago or so, found the same D382 in the same bookmark position, linked to the same system for 3 days, till I collapsed it because didn't like the people in the other wh :P
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#9 - 2013-06-07 07:51:18 UTC
The ID does not really tell if it's a static. They are only referred to as "statics" because they are static holes in most cases. There are a lot of "static-like" wandering wormholes.

Any wormhole that leads from a c2 into another c2 is labelled D382. Most of them are statics, but some are not.

On the other hand, the wormholes referred to as "wandering holes" are always wandering, never static.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#10 - 2013-06-07 08:24:17 UTC
Funny thing is I came to the forums just to post on this same topic, something similar just happened to me, I was scanning an abandoned C2 (J213058) with like 25+ sigs and it had a Y382 (C4 Static), B274(Highsec Static), and Z647 (C1 Static) all in the same system, it also had a total of 7 wormholes.

I guess I just never experienced something like this, seems many people have encountered it and it's normal, thanks for the clarification.
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#11 - 2013-06-08 13:55:01 UTC
It's just a way of CCP saying: There's always a way out.
Either by your single static wh up to a max 7 wh's which could be incomming or outgoing.

If the day come you can't find a wh in your system, you're bugged and can be petition or you enjoy of that moment.

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Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#12 - 2013-06-08 18:28:22 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
The ID does not really tell if it's a static. They are only referred to as "statics" because they are static holes in most cases. There are a lot of "static-like" wandering wormholes.

Any wormhole that leads from a c2 into another c2 is labelled D382. Most of them are statics, but some are not.

On the other hand, the wormholes referred to as "wandering holes" are always wandering, never static.


Exactly correct. The wormhole type simply describes the characteristics of the wh itself. You have a static that will always be a D382, that is not the same as saying that a D382 is always a static.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#13 - 2013-06-08 19:59:20 UTC
Euthanasia Anneto wrote:
It's just a way of CCP saying: There's always a way out.
Either by your single static wh up to a max 7 wh's which could be incomming or outgoing.

If the day come you can't find a wh in your system, you're bugged and can be petition or you enjoy of that moment.


Where are you getting this max number of wh's in a system from? I keep seeing people post the max number of wh's in a system. There is no max ffs! Roll

We've been in wh with 9 connections and i've heard of a wh with 15 connections. Max number of connections is nonsense

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Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-08 20:23:32 UTC
Two things:

1) No wormhole is specifically for a static. They are always a TYPE of connection (i.e. D382 is c2->c2 and will always be that). Wandering wormholes are semi-regular occurrences, although only certain types appear to wander (I've never seen a wandering c2->c6). In our C2->C4 is not uncommon to see two of the Y683 (or w/e the number is) with one being wandering and the other being the static. This was confirmed by crushing our static with a wandering in system, and the static repopped (we had it bookmarked no warp from the previous day).


2) There is no "max number of wormholes" as stated above. There's a statistical point where it becomes unlikely for you to have any additional wormholes, but max wormholes would not work in C2s especially because of the C2 with c5/NS (or c6/NS) where wanderings regularly stack up and never get opened. Therefore you are UNLIKELY to get more than 7 if you regularly prune your wormholes etc. but if you leave for 4 months and only log in to fuel, you could very well have a series of C2->C1s stacked up.


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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-06-13 22:40:34 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Two things:

1) No wormhole is specifically for a static. They are always a TYPE of connection (i.e. D382 is c2->c2 and will always be that). Wandering wormholes are semi-regular occurrences, although only certain types appear to wander (I've never seen a wandering c2->c6). In our C2->C4 is not uncommon to see two of the Y683 (or w/e the number is) with one being wandering and the other being the static. This was confirmed by crushing our static with a wandering in system, and the static repopped (we had it bookmarked no warp from the previous day).


2) There is no "max number of wormholes" as stated above. There's a statistical point where it becomes unlikely for you to have any additional wormholes, but max wormholes would not work in C2s especially because of the C2 with c5/NS (or c6/NS) where wanderings regularly stack up and never get opened. Therefore you are UNLIKELY to get more than 7 if you regularly prune your wormholes etc. but if you leave for 4 months and only log in to fuel, you could very well have a series of C2->C1s stacked up.


Svodola Darkfury.

Wandering C2->C6 (R474) wormholes are likely rare indeed, but should be possible; also confirming that the 'duplicate static' phenomenon can occur.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-14 00:30:43 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Odd, according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes , D382 is a static, not a wandering...

it is both.
most of the C2 and C3 static type WHs can also be found as wandering.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#17 - 2013-06-14 04:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathan Jameson
If it's an outbound from a C2 to a C3, it's always labeled as a D382, regardless if it's your current static or a wandering.

(Anyone besides me remember the old bug when a time-crit static wouldn't despawn if camped, and new statics would start piling up, one about every 5 minutes or so? You could easily open about a dozen doors into your system before you'd even realized what'd happened.)

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-06-15 00:41:58 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
If it's an outbound from a C2 to a C3, it's always labeled as a D382, regardless if it's your current static or a wandering.

(Anyone besides me remember the old bug when a time-crit static wouldn't despawn if camped, and new statics would start piling up, one about every 5 minutes or so? You could easily open about a dozen doors into your system before you'd even realized what'd happened.)

Correction! D382 is C2->C2, O477 is C2->C3...and I do not know of any statics from C3 space that also turn up as wandering types. (You don't see that behavior with K-space statics in C2s either!)
Mr Mutombo
Zulu Uprising
#19 - 2013-06-15 16:29:14 UTC
deal with it
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#20 - 2013-06-18 09:05:04 UTC
Found this post from October: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1990120#post1990120

Quote:
On constellation statics: not all the data is in yet, but I'm toying with the idea that these don't exist. I once found a post (and am not sure where it is now... shoulda BM'd it) from way back in the early days of wormholes, where a dev says something to the effect "we're going to increase the connectivity of the wormhole network". Surrounding posts, indicate that shortly there after Class 2 systems got there second static.... that is to say C2s didn't always have 2 statics. If that's the case and C2s followed the same scheme as most other classes of systems, then there were C2 statics to High Sec, and all other C2 wormholes were "wandering" wormholes to w-space. When this change happened, the second static was created and, we can see, that it is always to w-space. I posit, that, meanwhile, the C2 wandering wormholes were were not removed. From our perspective this means that from time to time an "extra" wormhole of the w-space static type would appear. These "extra" wormholes aren't "static" type at all, but the remnants of the C2 wandering wormhole network.

My supporting evidence of this so far is over 100 daily data points in C1 space (many of which are from systems that share the same constellation), none of which has an "extra" static. Meanwhile in just over 20 data points in C2 space, there is 1 "extra" static (which is the same, nearly 5% rate of occurrence I mentioned earlier for "wandering wormholes" in C1 space). I still need to examine other classes of w-space, but I suspect stories of extra statics in C3s may be in error (I haven't heard any stories of extra statics in c5 or c6s, and I have had someone with over 3 months of data state there were no extra statics in c4 space).
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