Crime & Punishment

So you're saying you're not happy that people bling their ships out so you can kill them and get their bling for yourself?
Or are you saying that because of incursions more people bling out their ships? (Definitely a plausible theory).
How can I tell you that incursions are not affecting the economy? How can I say that a feature that generates ISK is not affecting a market that uses ISK as valuta? Why are you asking me to lie? OF COURSE it's affecting it, but in which way and direction is not something you can (or me if you think me as some holy god) say. Again, we can GUESS, we can DISCUSS, but we can't proof it with 99 % certainty without having every little variable accounted for and we don't have access to this.

Bear with me on this hypothetical scenario.
You are walking with your monkey down the street and arrive at your garage. You decide to give the monkey a brick.
The monkey is now taking that brick and smashing it against your car and house repeatedly. (Keep bearing with me).
You are now standing by laughing because you think it's hilarious to see everything you have worked for being destroyed in front of your eyes.

Now explain this to me logically. Why would CCP hand out a feature to the playerbase and the playerbase is starting to ruin the game with that feature. Why would CCP let the playerbase KEEP that feature if it is continuing to ruin their game, their product, everything that they have worked for and what gives them a roof over their head?

And I asked logically, not something in the lines of "CCP wants to ruin their game so they can screw up their economy and fire everyone they have employed", because that my dear friend is not logical.

If [noun] was ruining the game (let's be honest here ... the EVE market is a pretty serious part of the game and much more urgent to be fixed than blasters and what ever stuff people have complained about) then CCP would intervene and fix it.

And if you don't believe that well then I am sorry to break it to you, but then you are one bittervet ...

Ammzi, I think you're wrong, although it's not impossible that you're spot on. We can go back and forth with walls of text for weeks, and I'm sure we will, but it doesn't change the fact that we have the leverage to act on our opinion, which is the part that really matters.

Also, even if you did manage to convince me of your position, it doesn't adress the number one reason we're doing this: It's fun as hell.

Oh yeah. I thought I made it clear. Our number one reason for doing this is that it's fun as ****. Everything else is just gravy.

Yeah seeing 33 Mach kills in 10 days makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

/growl

Let's print 10 trillion dollars and put it in the market and see what happens.

The thing I clearly said was the latter; it was intended to illustrate an economic influence in Eve, by Incursions. I'm also quite emphatic about the former, judging by my wallet and the free Mach in my hangar.


Do you think we'd even be having a discussion about the effects on the economy if the subject here were L4 missions (or Sanctums) instead of Incursions?


Can we replace my monkey with the DRF? And the brick could be, say, a blob of supercaps? My Garage could be something like 70% of 0.0 space in Eve? Oh right, that might muddle your scenario a bit.. Never mind that, then.

So, if Incursions flood the market with ISK (which is not the national currency of Iceland), which players can use to easily buy PLEX (which probably is the national currency of Iceland) from running Incursions, but they only need to buy a few PLEX first so that they can afford to get into the shiny fleets... It sounds like I'm giving my monkeys a really easy job that brings more cars into my garage? In fact, it sounds like exactly what CCP wanted from the community when they introduced the NeX. But that's only if you frame it that way, I hadn't even considered it in that light before.


If this is going to be your claim, then the burden of proof will be upon you to prove it. There are plenty of features in this game that make it worse (in varying degrees) and yet have not been addressed. I never said Incursions would ruin Eve. My hand was actually forced in this particular matter. One member of my corp griefed a handful of logistics running Incursions (SKNK. does not frown upon griefing in corp downtime), and our entire corp was blacklisted and banned from all the decent channels, as well as wardec'd by mercenaries hired by some ambiguous blob from those channels. Now, with the most fluid ISK faucet in the game denied to me, the next most fluid ISK faucet turned out to be killing the largest collection of shiny ships gathered into one hunting ground in the history of the game. What did I have to lose anyways? It turned out to be something like equivalent risk and equivalent rewards to Incursions. This is why we joke that we run Incursions, we just shoot the squares instead of the pluses.


Implying that nullsec isn't a pretty serious part of the game? Also, and more specifically, implying that Gallente ships aren't a pretty serious part of the game? Well, until winter I'd partially agree with you there...

Look man, this process has made me pretty rich, very quickly, and with no blowback (again I was banned from all the places I'm banned from before I even considered griefing any Incursion bears). It's also hilarious (it seems you don't get the joke, but look around the comments here because some people do), a little suspenseful, challenging at times (you try to get more than one pubby to swap into a cap transfer--while a small mob of angry pubbies spam the local Incursion channel, Dscan, and probe you down--and set up a cap chain inside your trap while the reward for success could easily be 4 Billion ISK), and definitely fun. Plus, it got us on the TV in the CQ and on those Concord billboards in space! All for a little over one week of focus. I'm as smug as Shadoo commentating AT9 right now.

~Andrei.

We convinced two Nightmares and a Loki to eject last night, to be added to the previous list (which I do not have handy, but contained at least one Loki, Navy Apoc, two Nightmares, and a Mach or two... iirc).

~Andrei.

wtf is wrong with this picture. am i srsly the only one seeing this? i seen lots of ppl lfaf last night and none of them got ganked.

Sounds like you guys are having fun, your provoking a fair amount of tears as well.