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Zutify
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-17 14:44:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zutify
Ive been coming back to this game twice.. three a times for the past many years. Everytime I make a new account in the hopes that ill stay. Space fascinates me. Same with this game. Its just awesome. I keep getting pulled back in.. and I want to stay this time. Maybe its cause I feel a lack of progression or moving forward..

What's my deal? I want to stay.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-17 14:47:45 UTC
well, why did you leave the last time? maybe we should start there...

I should buy an Ishtar.
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-06-17 15:12:27 UTC
I've had similar problems with EVE myself.

EVE is incredibly boring if you're playing mostly solo. Find a group of people you like to fly with. With the right group even mining can be fun (in limited doses). What really keeps me in EVE right now is the PvP, even though I'm not really amazing at it. For you it might be something else but the best advice I can give you is to find a group of people you like to fly with and join their corporation or training corporation.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-06-17 15:14:02 UTC
Zutify wrote:
Ive been coming back to this game twice.. three a times for the past many years. Everytime I make a new account in the hopes that ill stay. Space fascinates me. Same with this game. Its just awesome. I keep getting pulled back in.. and I want to stay this time. Maybe its cause I feel a lack of progression or moving forward..

What's my deal? I want to stay.


It's far from unusual for people to try EVE 3 or 4 times before they finally get properly hooked.

What did you do last time? What made you leave last time? What do you wish you could do?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#5 - 2013-06-17 15:21:05 UTC
Before I really started playing this game, I already burned through 2 other accounts (forgot the details each time).

Then I got hooked. But I must admit, there have been times where I was nearly to the point of saying farewell to EVE again.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Atkins Friendly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-17 15:28:04 UTC
Same here bro.. I keep coming back.

What has me hooked now is the ability to make lots of isk and fly all the ships i've always wanted to fly. I've started running incursions with a group of guys and now have a sweet collection of ships that i could of never bought before in 0.0.

I have ships in my hanger right now that i'm waiting on skills to finish up to fly. LOL its pretty funny.

On my off time, i enjoy taking scrap ships and flying them to low sec for PVP.

To me, Incursions are fun and as long as I'm flying with the great group of guys i'm not bored. The money is what keeps me doing them :).
Ned Taggart
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-17 15:30:48 UTC
Get in a good corp that will help you.

This is my third time back since '09 and the first time I have made it past the trial period. I don't remember loving it the first time, I positively detested it the second time, but this time I have my brain around it a bit better.

The difference? 100% social aspect.

The first time, I was just blindly mining asteroids to make money so I could out fit my ship to mine asteroids and defend it against rats. Hamster wheel, got old real quick.

The second time, I could not find a corporation willing to take newbies. Apparently everyone was afraid of spies, etc. Maybe I wasn't looking properly or whatever, but I really wanted to get with people that would teach me the game. After 2 weeks and 3 or 4 "We are at war and aren't recruiting, sorry" I split.

This time, Its different. I am in queue to join a good newbie friendly Corp, Between their public Mumble channel and public corp chat channel, I have learned a WHOLE lot more than the other two times.

Not being in the corp yet of course means that there are things I cannot do with them, however, there are always folks in the Mumble channel willing to answer questions, and help out. this has made a HUGE difference, in that I actually have a rudimentary plan for my toon.

A lot of what I am doing is solo, Missions and mining so I can get enough cash to be able to afford to die lots in PvP. But it doesn't feel solo.
Ekhss Nihilo
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-06-17 16:44:43 UTC
Drax Concrilla wrote:
I've had similar problems with EVE myself.

EVE is incredibly boring if you're playing mostly solo. Find a group of people you like to fly with. With the right group even mining can be fun (in limited doses). What really keeps me in EVE right now is the PvP, even though I'm not really amazing at it. For you it might be something else but the best advice I can give you is to find a group of people you like to fly with and join their corporation or training corporation.

^ This. Life is hard for a solo EVE player. The sheer variety and complexity of the game can be daunting. Join the right corp and you'll find friendly people willing to answer questions and provide advice. Not all corps are like that; you've got to shop around a bit.

Even mining is fun when you're doing that with others. At one point last evening we had a 14 member fleet hitting the rocks and having a good time chatting on TeamSpeak. Dealt with the occasional influx of Blood raiders by sending a swarm of drones after them. We all made a decent amount of ISK, too.

A good corp will train you for PVP / PVE action. It's experience that would otherwise come at a very steep cost.

So join up. Your in-game life will be much improved for it. Check out IDEAL MACHINE - we're still recruiting.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#9 - 2013-06-17 17:18:10 UTC
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.

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Velarra
#10 - 2013-06-17 17:42:55 UTC
Make it a point to interact with people on some level, to some degree of personal comfort.

Recognize Eve can be a bit like a plant, or a garden, or a stamp collection. At least in terms of it being an activity/hobby with short term gratifications available as well as long term goal setting. These as individual variables can both get very boring if either are your sole focus, but if you switch your sights between them as boredom creeps in, - you'll keep coming back for more. Or at least you may. :)
Zutify
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-06-18 00:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zutify
Wow, thanks for all the responses.

The two previous times I left were both related to nullsec.. I was convinced by the recruiters that it would be something spectacular. When in reality it's just not for me.

First nullsec account, I was addicted to planetology, 2 accounts actually, 6 characters. Way too much upkeep. I was making enough for plexes which was great, but the whole ordeal just wasn't fun. Sure I had the option to go on big roams, and people would get excited when we gang banged some random person. That I don't get. Anyways I learned that kind of combat wasn't for me.

Second nullsec account, once again suckered in, but this time I wanted to learn how to pvp. And it just didn't work out.. lost interest. I also can't stand the politics involved! People are making some real cash in this game, and I understand how much more serious the game becomes.. just hate knowing it and seeing it.

Conclusion for me, avoid nullsec... Naturally progress within the game.

So atm I'm training exploration, mining, indy etc.. I believe that's the path I want.

You guys seem to mention don't play solo, quite a bit. Not exactly a team orientated person here.. but if that's what it takes, I will make an effort.

Thanks again!
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-06-18 00:57:43 UTC
Hey man, just had a quick flick over the other replies on here (all helpful and good) but (correct me if I am wrong) I didn't see chat channels said anywhere.
Get yourself in some good, active chat channels and get chatting to fellow eve pilots. You said you're not much of a team player, that's okay, you can do your own thing (don't forget others will want to ruin your fun) and chat to others in ingame channels.

The channel that I regularly use is (type this into the channel finder) and can have a laugh in: neweden-radio

There are others like Chribba's channel: holy veldspar

And others that I dont know the names of (people feel free to quote me and tell some more).

If all else fails, message me ingame and chat there. Having a social side to EVE I find keeps you interested, and for me, I've made some good mates.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#13 - 2013-06-18 01:24:03 UTC
Zutify wrote:
Everytime I make a new account in the hopes that ill stay.


Found your problem. Stop doing that.

You're not ever going to feel a sense of progression if you never actually stay long enough to build up some SP, and there is no benefit whatsoever to making a new character.

Basically everyone gets tired of the game, quits for a few months, then comes back to try something else for a while. It's the play style of like 99% of players, though whether they actually drop subscription or keep it up for training varies from person to person.

My other bit of advice would be to find a corp or some manner of substitute for a corp (the FW and RvB guys, while not really running a corp in more than the technical sense, are nice enough and do fleets and so on regularly) so you can learn new things to do by helping other people do 'em. It's not the "best way" as such but it's the least boring way to get deeper into the game.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#14 - 2013-06-18 01:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Hey man, just had a quick flick over the other replies on here (all helpful and good) but (correct me if I am wrong) I didn't see chat channels said anywhere.
Get yourself in some good, active channels.

Having a social side to EVE I find keeps you interested, and for me, I've made some good mates.

Good advice here, works for me!

Faction wars can be good for providing some 1v1 pvp opportunities and is good fun, blobs are ultimately unavoidable though.

Exploring is a good option too, wormholes are exciting and lucrative (although dangerous).

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2013-06-18 03:01:03 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

Pretty much this.

The dirty little secret about gankers and pirates is that most are pretty relaxed and nice people. Make them laugh a bit and show them you are trying and they will often help you (sometimes even reimbursing you if your loss was a cheap frigate or something).

How did you Veterans start?
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-06-18 03:05:50 UTC
good advice in this thread, my two bits would be:

Don't generalize nullsec from one short experience you've had in one corporation. It's lawless space for a reason, all types go there. You have ninja industrialists and plex runners, organised ops or small fleets; guerrilla warfare and gatecamps, carebears or true pirates; tiny corps and mega coalitions, newbies or veterans of beta.

All types, except for one:

The ones too scared to dive in the deep end.


Sure, you could splash around in the kiddy **** for awhile, maybe even graduate to the olympic-sized pool where you could comfortably learn to swim. Just don't give up the ocean because you didn't like how it felt on your toes that once.

;)

Welcome to EVE

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Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-18 09:26:09 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#18 - 2013-06-18 09:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.


I think im translating reconcile correctly, but if im completely wrong please correct me.

I will admit that when i read that particular part i smiled, not because it was funny or stupid or anything like that, but because you actually do bring up a good point. Its one of those things that older players take for granted, my self included and i had never considered what kind of impression it leaves on a new player when people like me go out and describe EVE players as manipulative, lying, thieving assholes that wont think twice about stabbing you in your back and run off with all your stuff and cackling like an evil witch.

The description above is pretty accurate with many EVE players, to some extent. I will not say that everyone is "really" bad but most EVE players can point to something they did in EVE and say "Yea, i would not do that to someone in real life".
And thats the difference you have to understand. No matter how serious some EVE players are, they still understand its a game, and they evolve a different mindset of what is "ok" while they are playing the game.

Because of this you might find that the guy who just blew you up, robbed your corp, spied on, lied about who they were, war decced you for no good reason, scammed you or made fun of your mother in local is one of the nicest people you have talked to, IF you take the time to get to know them.

This is something that becomes a lot more apparent here on the NCQA section of the forums. People here are dedicated (for the most part) to help new players (and at times veterans) and will (again, for the most part) leave their "in-game persona" behind.

So yes, don't trust anyone in EVE (well ok there is at least one person people trusts Lol ), but keep in mind that behind the character there is often a very mature person that you would easily enjoy spending a Friday night drinking beers with Smile

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#19 - 2013-06-18 10:15:06 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.


I think im translating reconcile correctly, but if im completely wrong please correct me.

I will admit that when i read that particular part i smiled, not because it was funny or stupid or anything like that, but because you actually do bring up a good point. Its one of those things that older players take for granted, my self included and i had never considered what kind of impression it leaves on a new player when people like me go out and describe EVE players as manipulative, lying, thieving assholes that wont think twice about stabbing you in your back and run off with all your stuff and cackling like an evil witch.

The description above is pretty accurate with many EVE players, to some extent. I will not say that everyone is "really" bad but most EVE players can point to something they did in EVE and say "Yea, i would not do that to someone in real life".
And thats the difference you have to understand. No matter how serious some EVE players are, they still understand its a game, and they evolve a different mindset of what is "ok" while they are playing the game.

Because of this you might find that the guy who just blew you up, robbed your corp, spied on, lied about who they were, war decced you for no good reason, scammed you or made fun of your mother in local is one of the nicest people you have talked to, IF you take the time to get to know them.

This is something that becomes a lot more apparent here on the NCQA section of the forums. People here are dedicated (for the most part) to help new players (and at times veterans) and will (again, for the most part) leave their "in-game persona" behind.

So yes, don't trust anyone in EVE (well ok there is at least one person people trusts Lol ), but keep in mind that behind the character there is often a very mature person that you would easily enjoy spending a Friday night drinking beers with Smile


Confirming. My forum personality is different from my in game one. Same count between old and new players.

I even tell new player that I help to not trust me completely. But I will never harm a new player.

And NC I will keep you on that last point..the Friday night partP

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#20 - 2013-06-18 10:19:05 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.


I think im translating reconcile correctly, but if im completely wrong please correct me.

I will admit that when i read that particular part i smiled, not because it was funny or stupid or anything like that, but because you actually do bring up a good point. Its one of those things that older players take for granted, my self included and i had never considered what kind of impression it leaves on a new player when people like me go out and describe EVE players as manipulative, lying, thieving assholes that wont think twice about stabbing you in your back and run off with all your stuff and cackling like an evil witch.

The description above is pretty accurate with many EVE players, to some extent. I will not say that everyone is "really" bad but most EVE players can point to something they did in EVE and say "Yea, i would not do that to someone in real life".
And thats the difference you have to understand. No matter how serious some EVE players are, they still understand its a game, and they evolve a different mindset of what is "ok" while they are playing the game.

Because of this you might find that the guy who just blew you up, robbed your corp, spied on, lied about who they were, war decced you for no good reason, scammed you or made fun of your mother in local is one of the nicest people you have talked to, IF you take the time to get to know them.

This is something that becomes a lot more apparent here on the NCQA section of the forums. People here are dedicated (for the most part) to help new players (and at times veterans) and will (again, for the most part) leave their "in-game persona" behind.

So yes, don't trust anyone in EVE (well ok there is at least one person people trusts Lol ), but keep in mind that behind the character there is often a very mature person that you would easily enjoy spending a Friday night drinking beers with Smile


Confirming. My forum personality is different from my in game one. Same count between old and new players.

I even tell new player that I help to not trust me completely. But I will never harm a new player.

And NC I will keep you on that last point..the Friday night partP


I don't drink but i will gladly provide you with a beer or five Big smile

Phoibe Enterprises

The Eve Reader -  Audio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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