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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#21 - 2013-06-17 11:37:50 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

For one, I see nothing here about your duties to provide your slaves with religious conversion. That is the goal of the Reclaiming, to bring the faithless into God's light.


I'd suppose Lady Deritan has written this little guide to be as accessible to any slave owner out there, regardless of their religious background. And that's exactly what it is, the mere general basics. For more advanced aspects of slave rearing, I'm sure each invidual slave holder has his own preferences, tastes and style. Needless to say, trying to put those into a written form would take too long and make no sense.
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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#22 - 2013-06-17 12:29:27 UTC
Ah, good old Federation propaganda.

Oh, wait, what? *AOk's harried-looking assistant is holding notes and whispering in her ear; she starts to frown*

You are goddamn shitting me.
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#23 - 2013-06-17 13:50:16 UTC
Halete wrote:
Do I take it that I shall see you belittling the treatment of slaves by the more liberal of Amarr as cunning and dangerous all the while gunning down innocents by the hundreds then, whelp? Go on, surprise me.

No need for surprises; your suspicion is confirmed.

I've always said - and believed - that it is better a slave die than suffer another moment of captivity. If there is no means by which a slave may be saved - for example, a slave serving aboard an Amarrian's warship - then killing that slave in the destruction of the warship is not a tragedy but a triumph. He, or she, becomes a martyr to the cause of Freedom.

He, or she, will be welcomed by the Ancestors with open arms and forgiveness for their failing to rise up themselves.

The slave who dies having never been martyred, having never risen up, having never even tried to be Minmatar... that slave is shunned by the Ancestors. That is a tragedy.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#24 - 2013-06-17 20:03:05 UTC
Instructional Materials are always Interesting.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Bai'xao Meiyi
#25 - 2013-06-17 20:15:00 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Halete wrote:
Do I take it that I shall see you belittling the treatment of slaves by the more liberal of Amarr as cunning and dangerous all the while gunning down innocents by the hundreds then, whelp? Go on, surprise me.

No need for surprises; your suspicion is confirmed.

I've always said - and believed - that it is better a slave die than suffer another moment of captivity. If there is no means by which a slave may be saved - for example, a slave serving aboard an Amarrian's warship - then killing that slave in the destruction of the warship is not a tragedy but a triumph. He, or she, becomes a martyr to the cause of Freedom.

He, or she, will be welcomed by the Ancestors with open arms and forgiveness for their failing to rise up themselves.

The slave who dies having never been martyred, having never risen up, having never even tried to be Minmatar... that slave is shunned by the Ancestors. That is a tragedy.


Fanatics like you are why I'm often so glad I didn't have 'help' from freedom fighters I can think of many holders I would much rather serve then I would die to avoid.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-06-17 21:33:13 UTC
Oh look, another "look how well I treat my property" threads.


Sabik now, Sabik forever
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#27 - 2013-06-17 22:17:15 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Oh look, another "look how well I treat my property" threads.

Do you at least retain semi-competent slave handlers?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Ninusi UbarSarum
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-06-17 22:36:41 UTC
Ithiria Deritan wrote:

The first thing a Good holder, or decent holder needs to do, to make a slave loyal is not using Vitoxin (Vitoxin is crap and wasteful) or any beatings, but by treating them at least as humans.


I must say ms. Deritan, that in my years of work for the SPCS, Archbishop always told me that our first priority was to care for the slave's soul and to work towards his or her enlightenment.

He said: 'whenever there is a choice between learning a valuable moral lesson, or having a good night's sleep or a full belly, you should always choose to have them learn the moral lesson.'

Ms. Kerher said something like that too.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2013-06-17 22:39:30 UTC
Havohej wrote:

The former is far worse. Not only is cognitive dissonance the gravest of sins, that... "method" confuses the slave into a willing, even willful, submission and acceptance of his or her captivity. It is the reason why slaves defend their masters and the institution of slavery. They are seduced into a fearful love of the hand that not only holds the whip but also offers succor.

It is the more insidious, and therefor the more deadly.


Much like what happens between parents and their children, terrorist Havohej?
Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-06-18 00:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher7
Call me crazy, but I've always found the paternal justification touching, if flawed. I think it takes a huge heart to be willing to take responsibility for another human being. Trouble is, it also takes a shocking level of arrogance and lack of understanding.

As humans we spend our entire lives learning. Anytime one feels ready to say, "I know it all, I'm done growing as a person and am ready to capture other people and impart my wisdom" one should repeatedly slap himself.

As a father I teach my children, but they teach me too. They help me grow as a person.

Anyone who is in a position of authority over other people should not only teach, but also be prepared to listen and learn. Any real boss, commander, leader, etc knows that he's not only there to be served by his people, but also to serve them.

Tinpot tyrants are an isk a dozen, the universe is chock full of witless clods who think just because they call themself "master bob" that turns you into a leader.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#31 - 2013-06-18 01:02:01 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Halete wrote:
Do I take it that I shall see you belittling the treatment of slaves by the more liberal of Amarr as cunning and dangerous all the while gunning down innocents by the hundreds then, whelp? Go on, surprise me.

No need for surprises; your suspicion is confirmed.

I've always said - and believed - that it is better a slave die than suffer another moment of captivity. If there is no means by which a slave may be saved - for example, a slave serving aboard an Amarrian's warship - then killing that slave in the destruction of the warship is not a tragedy but a triumph. He, or she, becomes a martyr to the cause of Freedom.

He, or she, will be welcomed by the Ancestors with open arms and forgiveness for their failing to rise up themselves.

The slave who dies having never been martyred, having never risen up, having never even tried to be Minmatar... that slave is shunned by the Ancestors. That is a tragedy.


By killing that slave, you are doing exactly the same thing you oppose slavers for: Making their life choices for them, taking their fate out of their own hands. It is hypocritical.

Most slaves would rather choose to live in servitude than be slain by "freedom fighters". Death isn't freedom.

And what is a tragedy, is the soul that is forever apart from God's light. By killing a slave who has not yet managed to embrace God, you have damned their soul for all eternity.
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#32 - 2013-06-18 01:22:50 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Slaver prattle.

The slave who would rather live in chains than escape through death has already had his soul ripped away; what lives in his flesh is no longer of Matar. His soul, thus, shunned. His life, thus, of no account. Sad, but common.

It is not incumbent upon us to rescue souls - the strength of the Matari soul is up to oneself to maintain. That is one of the biggest truths this youngest generation seems to forget.

To any true Minmatar slave who happens to be able to see or hear this message... I tell you, stay strong. For you, freedom will come. One way or another. Your people come for you. Your Ancestors await you.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Endeavour Starfleet
#33 - 2013-06-18 01:35:49 UTC
Come for them? Seems the Republic is too busy killing their allies to bother themselves in actually fighting their so called enemies. Or freeing their brothers.

How can you actually give such false hope to those people?
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#34 - 2013-06-18 01:46:24 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Come for them? Seems the Republic is too busy killing their allies to bother themselves in actually fighting their so called enemies. Or freeing their brothers.

How can you actually give such false hope to those people?

The Republic has never been the primary actor in the liberation of slaves, pilot.

Once, I had hopes that Sanmatar Shakor would change all of that. He still may... he still may. But we capsuleers have resources and freedoms that political entities don't. My corporation alone retrieved over one million slaves from the Empire only a few years ago. The Tribal Liberation Force remains steadfast in their efforts, regardless of fortunes, and that is a force made up of capsuleers, not government regulars.

It's not about the Republic, it's about the People.

And the People come for ours every chance we get.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-06-18 08:09:41 UTC
Some day the horrors that you commit will catch up to you, child. I only pray that the realization won't be as jarring for you as it was for me. The reality of that which I have done came as a sundering blow to me. I still reel, most nights.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Havohej
Cretus Incendium
Electus Matari
#36 - 2013-06-18 09:43:39 UTC
Doubtful. I am strong enough to accept the necessity of my deeds.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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