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ETA on rebalanced t2 ships?

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Leskit
Pure Victory
#1 - 2013-06-17 17:47:15 UTC
I 'm just wondering if there's an ETA on the planned changes for t2 ships.
e.g. all t2 ship balance proposals posted in X weeks, t2 cruisers X weeks after that, and so on. Maybe even a hopeful deployment time frame to tranquility for each class, or if they're all going to be deployed together. Failing that, even a hopeful date for when work will start on them.
The tech 1 teiricide went pretty quick, and I'm hopeful that t2 will be fast as well.

Many thanks.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#2 - 2013-06-17 20:51:10 UTC
Rebalance the Worm frigate.

The Tears Must Flow
Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#3 - 2013-06-17 20:52:12 UTC
This is a question for CCP, not the CSM. If any of them happen to see this thread and comment on it, great, otherwise, you're barking up the wrong forums tag ;-)

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#4 - 2013-06-17 21:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
+pilgrim

CCP rarely talks to us.

You however, speak to them daily, right ?

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Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#5 - 2013-06-17 21:49:21 UTC
I do! And I could certainly ask CCP what their plan is w.r.t which ships they're going to balance when. I'd probably get an answer, either a definitive "this is what we're working on" or a "that's in planning phases" kind of thing.

But then what? I've signed this piece of paper (an "NDA") which means that I can't then turn around and go "hey, eve-O forums, this is what's up". It's kind of silly for me to do so. It's not my feature, it's not my game, I have absolutely no control over the ETA.

What I can do is, if CCP is discussing priorities and says something like "we really don't think t2 balancing is a big deal, let's pull people off of that and put an arena feature in", I can step in and say "whoa, that's a terrible idea. T2 ship balancing will improve the game for all players and make it more compelling, especially for those who're specialized into t2 ships already. Arena gameplay is useful for people who want to do e-sports, but that's a much smaller group of subscribers."

And, having said that, I expect CCP would engage with me on that. I also expect to have some luck with directing CCP towards forums posts that could use some love, either because they're interesting features or because Players Are Concerned. In the latter case, I can also aggregate player concerns and act as a very condensed relay/screener, filtering out the tinfoil and "but I don't liiiike it" for the stuff that's concrete and addressable. Even more importantly, I have regular access to CCP earlier in the development cycle (see that "NDA" thing again) so I can bring things up before the forums would even go nuts over them.

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
Leskit
Pure Victory
#6 - 2013-06-17 22:22:31 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
I do! And I could certainly ask CCP what their plan is w.r.t which ships they're going to balance when. I'd probably get an answer, either a definitive "this is what we're working on" or a "that's in planning phases" kind of thing.


That's basically what i'm asking for-the CSM is our most direct way to get specific things asked or mentioned to ccp. IDK if they would have to come post here of if they would say you could release that information. I know they'll get to it, we just don't know if it's next month, next expansion, or in 2 years. T2 aren't worth the isk on multiple hulls right now in cost to performance ratio to tech 1 courtesy of tiericide, imo at least.

I don't expect an exact answer, but i'm hoping they'll finish all the rebalancing of subcaps before/by the winter expansion arrives.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-06-18 00:43:08 UTC
Could the CSM advise CCP that there's tremendous player interest in the rebalance effort of underperforming T2 lines like HACs, EAFs, and Command ships. There's hope it will begin soon now that T1 subcap tiercide is nearly done (haulers dont count ;p) and we'd love some communication on the direction or timing of it from CCP or the CSM at the earliest possibility :)

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-18 06:30:30 UTC
Ali Aras wrote:
I do! And I could certainly ask CCP what their plan is w.r.t which ships they're going to balance when. I'd probably get an answer, either a definitive "this is what we're working on" or a "that's in planning phases" kind of thing.

But then what? I've signed this piece of paper (an "NDA") which means that I can't then turn around and go "hey, eve-O forums, this is what's up". It's kind of silly for me to do so. It's not my feature, it's not my game, I have absolutely no control over the ETA.

What I can do is, if CCP is discussing priorities and says something like "we really don't think t2 balancing is a big deal, let's pull people off of that and put an arena feature in", I can step in and say "whoa, that's a terrible idea. T2 ship balancing will improve the game for all players and make it more compelling, especially for those who're specialized into t2 ships already. Arena gameplay is useful for people who want to do e-sports, but that's a much smaller group of subscribers."

And, having said that, I expect CCP would engage with me on that. I also expect to have some luck with directing CCP towards forums posts that could use some love, either because they're interesting features or because Players Are Concerned. In the latter case, I can also aggregate player concerns and act as a very condensed relay/screener, filtering out the tinfoil and "but I don't liiiike it" for the stuff that's concrete and addressable. Even more importantly, I have regular access to CCP earlier in the development cycle (see that "NDA" thing again) so I can bring things up before the forums would even go nuts over them.

But of course we all can't wait for arenas for 100% fair and balanced PvP, after all, gotta get those shy carebears to try it out somehow right?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-06-18 06:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Leskit wrote:
I 'm just wondering if there's an ETA on the planned changes for t2 ships.
e.g. all t2 ship balance proposals posted in X weeks, t2 cruisers X weeks after that, and so on. Maybe even a hopeful deployment time frame to tranquility for each class, or if they're all going to be deployed together. Failing that, even a hopeful date for when work will start on them.
The tech 1 teiricide went pretty quick, and I'm hopeful that t2 will be fast as well.

Many thanks.


There's no formal schedule. You should also remember that, being in Iceland, the CCP devs tend to get very long summer holidays.

There definitely will be a T2 rebalance, it's going to be worked on, your dearly beloved CSM will be heavily involved and they (the T2 ships) will be ready when they're ready.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Leskit
Pure Victory
#10 - 2013-06-18 13:42:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Leskit
Quote:

There's no formal schedule. You should also remember that, being in Iceland, the CCP devs tend to get very long summer holidays.

There definitely will be a T2 rebalance, it's going to be worked on, your dearly beloved CSM will be heavily involved and they (the T2 ships) will be ready when they're ready.


Yeah, I figured that. If you can get any idea out of ccp, great, post it here if it's not NDA'd. If not, then this thread can be closed/locked/deleted until the changes hit the forums from a dev.

Edit: Well 2 new balance posts (nos, t1 haules) have been made, so it looks like things are continuing to roll along Big smile
Leskit
Pure Victory
#11 - 2013-06-21 22:31:26 UTC
Rise answers. t1 indy hulls thread, post #20:

CCP Rise wrote:
T2 haulers of course will get rebalance as well, but likely not until after some more pressing T2 classes (let me get done with this so we can do HACs =)


\o/
Evanga
DoctorOzz
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#12 - 2013-07-17 11:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Evanga
Ali Aras wrote:
I do! And I could certainly ask CCP what their plan is w.r.t which ships they're going to balance when. I'd probably get an answer, either a definitive "this is what we're working on" or a "that's in planning phases" kind of thing.

But then what? I've signed this piece of paper (an "NDA") which means that I can't then turn around and go "hey, eve-O forums, this is what's up". It's kind of silly for me to do so. It's not my feature, it's not my game, I have absolutely no control over the ETA.

What I can do is, if CCP is discussing priorities and says something like "we really don't think t2 balancing is a big deal, let's pull people off of that and put an arena feature in", I can step in and say "whoa, that's a terrible idea. T2 ship balancing will improve the game for all players and make it more compelling, especially for those who're specialized into t2 ships already. Arena gameplay is useful for people who want to do e-sports, but that's a much smaller group of subscribers."

And, having said that, I expect CCP would engage with me on that. I also expect to have some luck with directing CCP towards forums posts that could use some love, either because they're interesting features or because Players Are Concerned. In the latter case, I can also aggregate player concerns and act as a very condensed relay/screener, filtering out the tinfoil and "but I don't liiiike it" for the stuff that's concrete and addressable. Even more importantly, I have regular access to CCP earlier in the development cycle (see that "NDA" thing again) so I can bring things up before the forums would even go nuts over them.


i think the answer "We are working on it" would be satisfying as well.