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Laser crystals and weapon grouping. Please, fix it!!!

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#1 - 2011-11-07 16:36:17 UTC
I still haven't seen anyone mentioning this. Basically if you have 8 guns grouped in one group, and a crystal breaks in one of the guns, the entire group will shut down. Thats ok.

But in most cases, the crystal that breaks IS NOT the one that is represented on the icon, so we cannot change the crystal there. To fix that, we need to unload the entire group and load again, open the fitting window and manually reload the affected gun or ungroup everything, reload the gun, and re-group.


I have enough crystals on my cargo, and if all guns are ungrouped they will reload automatically if a crystal breaks. Why not a gun that is grouped?


Believe it or not but that is highly irritating for POS/structure bash in high-lag situations.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2011-11-07 16:38:37 UTC
Wrong forum.

Katrina Oniseki
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-11-07 16:38:42 UTC
true , problem is about crystal "health"

Basically you can load more used or brand new crystal to an single weapon in an group while others got "other used" crystals .. Shocked
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2011-11-07 17:24:26 UTC
You REALLY haven't seen any threads on this topic? did you even remotely try to use the search forum?

I think you mean you don't see a thread on page 1 with hundreds of people crying in it. It has however been brought up in MANY threads by people too lazy to search and find the MANY threads that already exist.

Please do us all a favor, stop making new threads. START reading then POST
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Takamori Maruyama
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-11-07 17:28:48 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
You REALLY haven't seen any threads on this topic? did you even remotely try to use the search forum?

I think you mean you don't see a thread on page 1 with hundreds of people crying in it. It has however been brought up in MANY threads by people too lazy to search and find the MANY threads that already exist.

Please do us all a favor, stop making new threads. START reading then POST


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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#6 - 2011-11-07 17:52:48 UTC
If you have eight lasers in one group then you fail miserably at cap management and should be forced to use lasers on ships without cap bonus until you learn to Amarr.
In laggy situation it takes 4-5 seconds to unload/reload thanks to zero delay on crystal swaps. The alternative is to have the group keep firing at reduced damage .. but when is it proper to shut it down automatically then, at -50% damage? -75%?

PS: Haven't actually seen a damaged crystal thread since forums were moved to this fail format so OP is excused as far as I am concerned Smile
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2011-11-07 18:02:30 UTC
By none other than Renan Ruivo himself

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217690#post217690

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217680#post217680

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=208904#post208904

Are just a few.

The moral of the story is CCP's search function still isn't great as it searches as AND and not OR.
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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#8 - 2011-11-07 18:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
By none other than Renan Ruivo himself

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217690#post217690

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217680#post217680

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=208904#post208904

Are just a few.

The moral of the story is CCP's search function still isn't great as it searches as AND and not OR.


You beat me to it, hehe.

Somehow i believe that were i to mention that i have been raising this issue for nearly one month now, nobody would point out that this has been raised before. The problem is that nobody in CCP gave an answer to it. Not even a "We are aware of the issue".

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#9 - 2011-11-07 18:18:05 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
By none other than Renan Ruivo himself

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217690#post217690

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=217680#post217680

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=208904#post208904

Are just a few.

The moral of the story is CCP's search function still isn't great as it searches as AND and not OR.


You beat me to it, hehe.

Somehow i believe that were i to mention that i have been raising this issue for nearly one month now, nobody would point out that this has been raised before. The problem is that nobody in CCP gave an answer to it. Not even a "We are aware of the issue".



Now that is a fair point, CCP hasn't publicly acknowledged the issue, although to be fair, while it is annoying, I've never found it to be a major issue, I carry an extra set of crystals of each type I use. I think it will just have to wait its turn.
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John Caesse
Just Post Inc.
#10 - 2011-11-07 18:18:42 UTC
right click > load IN Multi
right click > load Scorch

that was hard.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2011-11-07 18:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
John Caesse wrote:
right click > load IN Multi
right click > load Scorch

that was hard.


Having a work around doesn't mean there is NOT a bug. Having a "fix" doesn't mean there isn't a problem.

If your arm was broken and I said bring a Minmatar slave with you, your arm is still broken.

Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom.
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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#12 - 2011-11-07 18:33:26 UTC
i think John's suggestion is pretty convenient
i drag and drop the next crystal on the inactive weapon group
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#13 - 2011-11-07 18:38:43 UTC
It is the work around we all use. At least its the one i use. But it is still a workaround. All weapon groups reload automatically, and lasers also reload automatically. They just refuse to do so while in a group.

Not to mention that as soon as a crystal breaks, others are soon to follow.

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Planktal
Kenshao Industries
#14 - 2011-11-07 18:44:00 UTC
I get the bug where I have new and used crystals in cargo, order the guns to load used and it loads some or all new instead.

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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#15 - 2011-11-07 18:45:49 UTC
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#16 - 2011-11-07 19:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.


Grouped lasers do not reload crystals automatically when they shatter. They only reload that of the "main gun" on the group. I.E the one that appears on the HUD. Regardless of auto-reload setting.

That is the issue in question. Yes, it is a bug.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
mkint
#17 - 2011-11-07 19:16:55 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.


Grouped lasers do not reload crystals automatically when they shatter. They only reload that of the "main gun" on the group. I.E the one that appears on the HUD. Regardless of auto-reload setting.

That is the issue in question. Yes, it is a bug.

then bug report it and stop spamming the same thread over and over.

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Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#18 - 2011-11-07 19:20:23 UTC
mkint wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.


Grouped lasers do not reload crystals automatically when they shatter. They only reload that of the "main gun" on the group. I.E the one that appears on the HUD. Regardless of auto-reload setting.

That is the issue in question. Yes, it is a bug.

then bug report it and stop spamming the same thread over and over.


Yeah.. sure.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
river Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-07 20:38:50 UTC
mkint wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.


Grouped lasers do not reload crystals automatically when they shatter. They only reload that of the "main gun" on the group. I.E the one that appears on the HUD. Regardless of auto-reload setting.

That is the issue in question. Yes, it is a bug.

then bug report it and stop spamming the same thread over and over.


We've all already done that genius. For a long time.
mkint
#20 - 2011-11-07 20:43:11 UTC
river Zateki wrote:
mkint wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Nadine Le'**** wrote:
now i get you better
and i just recognized there's a "Set Auto-Reload Off" in the right-click menu of my laser weapon group.

I didn't know lasers would reload crystals when they shatter automatically even when they're ungrouped.
That and the option in the right-click menu make it clearly a bug.


Grouped lasers do not reload crystals automatically when they shatter. They only reload that of the "main gun" on the group. I.E the one that appears on the HUD. Regardless of auto-reload setting.

That is the issue in question. Yes, it is a bug.

then bug report it and stop spamming the same thread over and over.


We've all already done that genius. For a long time.

Hmm... maybe I should bump all the repeat threads and see if I can't get all of them locked, and maybe the OP gagged for spamming.

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