Missions & Complexes

Okay, I might be asking for some flak for saying this, but the current system of hacking and archeology is a joke.

I made billions in a few days in just a covops running zero sec sites. A covops the "enemy" (that includes everyone not in my fleet) had a slim chance of catching, though even with one ship loss, my total profit was through the roof. (That one ship loss, i might add was totally my fault as I simply did not act properly with a dictor on the gate - thanks to it being 5am at that time)

Then I switched to a strat cruiser and I just laugh at camps, dictors and bubbles in general. As long as you are sensible and avoid the big hotspots with 20+ campers on a gate, you will never be harmed. Let's not even talk about how ridiculously easy and safe it is to travel to and from empire through w-space.

The imbalanced nature of the exploration is further supported by my observation, that every time I went hacking, I encountered dozens of covops ships or strat cruisers doing the same in null sec. Literally everywhere I went. What does that tell you?

That it is way too easy. No single man should be able to hack in null sec, no unprotected frigate should be able to hack in low sec. Low sec should require at least a semi decent cruiser able to fend off the currently non existent guardians of the site, while null sec should require a dedicated combat ship to defeat guardians at the site.

The biggest joke was when a covops was scanning down a site in 0.0 with a local count of 10. Why should he not? If he gets just one relic container open, he gets loot worth several times of his ship, if he can open them all, he makes an easy 100m, assuming there are no rig BPCs in there. If someone warps in, he just warps out, as the sites are so big, cans are 30-40 km apart, easy enough for him to spot anyone coming in.

Also.. w-space data and relic sites (c3) are protected by some very hard hitting (600+ dps) enemy spawns and contain less valuable loot overall in the containers, so why again are null and low sec sites undefended?

The reason we see such a rapid drop in prices for virtually every exploration item is that it's way too easy to run the very profitable low/null sec sites. Obviously if the price of the items drops low enough, running those sites will get less profitable, but is that really the goal? Making it super easy to farm low/null sec sites, resulting in a quick burst of explorers until everyone goes back to their old activities once profits drop?

Should group play not be rewarded, by making those high value sites only available for players actually engaging in the MMO aspect of the game?

Also worth noting, that relic sites will still stay profitable on the long run, as the number of salvage components created from relic sites are negligible compared to all the other salvage found in EVE. Prices might drop a little, but will mostly just stay the way they are now.

I understand that the reason there are no defenders was possibly an intentional decision made in order to make exploration more accessible, but I think CCP -as usual- has managed to overshoot the target a little, in making exploration accessible, they just created a ridiculously effective revenue stream that outpaces running lvl4 agents by a factor of 5-10, with virtually no skill requirements or monetary investment in comparison. You can get way more isk using a cheap 25mil ship running one relic site each hour, than you can using your billion isk faction fitted BS doing lvl4s continuously for the same time.

Before you come at me raging for trying to ruin your nice new revenue source, please understand this: I dont care.
I do not ask for this out of the kindness of my heart, but because I honestly think that it is too easy, and know that it being harder would benefit me more than most others doing it right now, as unlike them, I am able and willing to group up in order to continue doing what I was doing.

Come on CCP, you know you want to fix this, you hardly want such an effortless money print stay in the game for much longer.

I talked to just such a person.
He had over 500m in his cargo hold.

Why aren't you simply scanning these sites down yourself and setting up cloaked ambushes.
So much isk for so very little effort.

Unless you're a slow scanner and just annoyed at your competition cherry picking your sites! ;)

I saw similar comment a few days ago but what frigging sense does that make? Drop chance from wreck is 50%. Economic nonsense when i can run sites myself instead. Not to mention i would have to fit my ship for fast lock time to catch a frig, compromising my own ability to run sites.



No **** Sherlock, hence it's bad for income that its easily farmable with no effort and skills by everyone and his dog.

So in short, its income is adequate to effort you have to put into it. Ty for agreing with me angry capsuler.

I don't understand it, either. Could wear a tinfoil hat, actually, and make up nefariuos motives of nullsec powerblocs to 'entertain' their membership.

Are you mad because new players can train for covert ops, and compete with old players?

Adding "guardians" to the sites would only hurt the new players, older players with still clear them with easy flying the notorious T3 with covert ops alt setup.

High sec and low sec radar/magno sites were for newbs, null sec radar and magno sites were for "skilled people with specilized ships". Now, all K-space data/relic sites are for newbs, and the income was ruined. With this I mean old players being able to make more than new players, because well, they became better at the things they did skillwise. With the removal of NPC's in data/relic sites, the "old players" are now as good at their "profession" as new players.

I don't disagree with the no guns necessary approach per se. But then CCP should add new skills and ships for hacking to raise the entry barrier for the harder sites. Before Odyssey there were hisec radar sites with battleships in them. Now the entry barrier is so low that even noob with skills at 3 or 4 and t1 frig can run sites in nullsec. That's ridiculous and unless you have an agenda of your own like being one of those low skilled frig explorers or a t2 rig producer it shouldn't be difficult to see why it is a problem. You wouldn't defend it if every combat mission or plex in the game could be run in a t1 frig.

It's because the rated and unrated ded sites are the "hard" exploration sites, relic and data sites are the noob site.

And when all combat sites can be run in t1 frig then everything is noob sites. What's your point?