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[Proposal] Add a visible vote marker to the forum portraits and an option to show abstention

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Sylar McIntyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-07 09:12:34 UTC
Given the recent rabble against the CSM, we need a way to verify if an account voted or not. To stop the flood of 'I didn't vote for CSM!!!! They do not represent me!!' threads, i propose the following:

When an account votes in the next elections they are marked as either:

  • voted
  • abstained from voting for a candidate

In consequence this will give 3 states an account can have for a period of the CSM:

  • voted
  • abstained from voting for a candidate
  • no marker


What will this change?

I believe this is a fair solution because people who voted will be represented by their candidate and those with no fitting representative can opt for the abstention option to show a lack of representation.
This gives everyone a voice and is a huge improvement compared to the last elections, because with the actual mechanics there is no chance to participate without casting a vote to someone who might end up in charge but doesn't represent you.

Additionally this is a huge improvement for the poor souls that deal with feedback regarding the CSM and its actions because they will be able to tell if someone spend at least some time checking out the candidates or just didn't care and start whining for no reason.

Who should support this proposal?

Everyone, because space democracy only works if as many as possible participate!
Those that did not vote in the recent elections because they had no suitable candidate!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-07 09:16:06 UTC
I'm not sure you want to distinquish between voting for someone and voting abstain.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Sylar McIntyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-07 09:25:53 UTC
This is intended as a marker to differentiate the between people that voted for a candidate (because he bought their votes, they believe in him, be made great promises), the ones that look through the candidates but simply don't find one suitable (enough) and last but not least all the ones that suddenly wake up and realize their vote might have had a meaning and now cry about how unfair it the mechanic is.

Right now everyone can claim to not have voted because there was no option to participate without voting a candidate. So people without a suitable candidate were forced to not vote at all or risk electing some moron who might end up in the CSM.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-07 09:38:23 UTC
I'm just saying that not everyone wants to display that to the world. If nothing else, make it so it's something which the user himself can choose to display.

I.e. by default, don't show if anyone voted, but if they so choose, they can choose to show if they voted or didn't vote, and if they voted, choose between showing whether they voted for a person, voted abstain, or maybe even voted for a particular person if they so choose.

Otherwise, chances are people are going to use this in completely unrelated discussions as a basis for ad hominem attacks.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-07 15:34:05 UTC
It's not a bad idea...I do see a problem with it in that everybody I voted for didn't win. So even to me showing that I voted means jack ****.

Either way...it doesn't negatively effect me and I cannot see how it would negatively effect anybody else...so...

+1

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Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#6 - 2011-11-07 16:55:48 UTC
While I understand your thought process, its one of those things that would have to be optional, basically as Zim described. Just a cautionary, but imo necessary, step.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2011-11-08 17:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
As with any election, the choice not to vote means that you are agreeing to go along with what the rest of the population decides. When you decide not to vote, you forfeit your right to complain about the results.

Edit: And if there were no candidates that you supported, you should have run for the position yourself.
Solo Player
#8 - 2011-11-08 17:40:28 UTC
+0

Voting is secret for a reason. People have right to lie in such matters. No need to soften that up.
Sylar McIntyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-09 09:07:00 UTC
Rer Eirikr wrote:
While I understand your thought process, its one of those things that would have to be optional, basically as Zim described. Just a cautionary, but imo necessary, step.


Or just use it for the part of the forum where it matters: Assembly Hall. I bears no meaning elsewhere so that would be sufficient.

And to clarify: You would not be marked with a certain candidate you voted for, but a a simple marker that you voted for someone. That person may not be part of the CSM.

mxzf wrote:
As with any election, the choice not to vote means that you are agreeing to go along with what the rest of the population decides. When you decide not to vote, you forfeit your right to complain about the results.

Edit: And if there were no candidates that you supported, you should have run for the position yourself.


I guess we were thought different values there.

Not voting = not interest in the elections
Spoiled ballot = no person that made it on the list is suitable to you

Of course in EvE it is easier to get accepted as candidate so yeah, everyone would be able to run (in theory) but you need a lot of commitment and time to ne a real asset to the CSM and not just block a seat.

Solo Player wrote:
+0

Voting is secret for a reason. People have right to lie in such matters. No need to soften that up.


And as pointed out above i don't want to know WHO someone voted but IF.
If you deem that so important, have one account voting and another not, so you always got the chance to 'lie' about it.

And what does your +0 mean? Are you indifferent to the matter?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-09 09:59:10 UTC
Sylar McIntyr wrote:
And as pointed out above i don't want to know WHO someone voted but IF.
If you deem that so important, have one account voting and another not, so you always got the chance to 'lie' about it.

And what does your +0 mean? Are you indifferent to the matter?

What if I don't want you to know whether or not I voted?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat