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Bots in Alsottobier

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Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#61 - 2013-06-16 20:55:28 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Funguy2 wrote:
Na mate, not Nex's alt. Me and lord independently found the site I linked and both of us decided to check **** out. Only, unlike lord, I cant be asked to fly my main 20 jumps for lols. Much better to let someone else do the heavy lifting while I hang around and see if the loot is worth the effort.

Also, never seen a DED complex before. Severely underwhelmed. A drake seems to be able to do it with a chance to get a 200mil drop.


Be careful mate, if Nexeroff see you a lot around here you will be accused of being a robot.
fly safe.


Feya, by your actions you create your own reputation!

I have stated clearly without pretending anything what you are doing, how you do it, the OP has stated your names that you use in the plex while you bot, others have chimed in and said their peace. The game is up, everyone who has seen you before this thread started knows you are botting this complex, they know it, you cannot escape this fact..

And they are not me, for some reason you think everyone who can see what you are doing is me.

You have already slipped up and admitted a lot, and each time you comment on this thread you expose yourself more. I can bring attention to these points over and over but it's so brutally obvious that I don't really think there is a need anymore.

For whatever reason you dislike me so much in fact, are prejudiced against me to such a degree that you have placed a huge bounty on me, over 370 million, while this in itself does not affect nor bother me, it obviously is meaningful to you. Those of us that belong to a private chat channel, that make this area our home, talk about you when we see you, we warn each other when you are botting the plex, and some have been watching you commit this scam for years, not months but years.

So you can continue to claim that everyone who posts information against you in this thread is me, or you can decide that in fact people are sick of your little games, and on to your botting and choose to stop, like you have the past several days since this thread has been in existence. You can see what is going on here plain as day, right in your face. Just stop the botting and only use toons you are actually controlling.

I do have to admit, that for the most part, so far as I know and has been discussed on our chat channel, it doesn't look like you have been botting as of late, a little with Spider Fish, but not like you were. This is a good start in the right direction. Now all you have to do is a little bit more, stop it totally, considering you have been doing it for "years" don't you think it's time to stop?
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#62 - 2013-06-16 21:07:43 UTC
For those that are completing the DED Complex while not botting.

This is what I know for sure based on my own observations!

First all the named NPCs spawn randomly, this is the Chief Engineer in the first room, and the Negotiator in the second room. I know this because I have run through the plex and killed both, returned right away and seen both (at different times) Have camped waiting for them and literally had them spawn anywhere from 15 minute after they were killed, to several hours. This is the reason why Feya uses her bots and rotates through them all through the day, and sometimes uses 2-3 one right after the other during times of high traffic to make sue that there is no gap in her farming, I suspect anyway.

The structure in the last room I believe from what I have read, used to spawn every 5 hours on the nose, but now is also random because there used to be corps that would camp the structure every 5 hours and others couldn't complete their COSMOS missions. Also the rewards are very rarely over 30 mil, unless it's a triple drop.

The Chief engineer only drops his personal effects, the Negotiator drops effect and sometimes a Vigilant BPC or other faction look, the structure drops faction loot rarely and also personal effects.

All in all if you are bored, and have nothing to do it's an interesting gamble, but I honestly do a lot better scanning down combat sites in the same system, and areas around the system. On certain sites the drops are far better, and of course you usually have Feya and all her bots to deal with. I haven't even worked the plex in several days, just the combat sites in the area.

Of course, if Feya was playing her toon instead of botting, she would know right away she could make more isk being at the helm of her toon, rather than botting the same plex over and over and over again. But alas, she has been by her own admission, years at working this plex.

The odd thing is though, how does she not know more about the complex? Unless of course it is truly her bots doing the work, and not her.

Once things get back to normal, and because I seriously doubt Feya will stop so long as CCP allows her to continue her botting, I would suggest those who are interested to hang out in or around the plex and watch her toons as they do the same things over and over. Don't believe me about the huge gaping EM hole in her shield tank, but scan her ship down passively yourself. Don't believe me about all the deadspace mods she carries around in her cargo hold because of the way she operates her bots, but scan it yourselves. I have. I know other people who have. And we all can say the same so far as what we have seen.

Anyone in their right mind with that much worth of deadspace gear in their cargo hold would drop it off at a station, not fly around for hours and hours with it, specially at war, specially when there is so much to loose.

Also as a side note, I believe if you blow up all the structures in the last room, that it somehow affects the spawning of the structure. So if you want it to spawn in under 5 hours, don't blow the rest of the structures. Then at least it will be random.
Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#63 - 2013-06-16 21:25:17 UTC
After all this information, there is little left to do here, from now there will be many people in the complex that will be impossible to catch anything, thanks nexeroff, we can go looking for another place to play. :-( ((((((.



Funguy2
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-06-16 21:58:12 UTC
I also want to point out that Feya seems to have a fan club that likes every post she makes. She's got 77 likes from a single thread. I wish I had that many supporters....
Julius Priscus
#65 - 2013-06-17 02:19:51 UTC
Funguy2 wrote:
I also want to point out that Feya seems to have a fan club that likes every post she makes. She's got 77 likes from a single thread. I wish I had that many supporters....



well that player does have several accounts so...... you know where the likes came from lol.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#66 - 2013-06-17 03:18:01 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Funguy2 wrote:
Na mate, not Nex's alt. Me and lord independently found the site I linked and both of us decided to check **** out. Only, unlike lord, I cant be asked to fly my main 20 jumps for lols. Much better to let someone else do the heavy lifting while I hang around and see if the loot is worth the effort.

Also, never seen a DED complex before. Severely underwhelmed. A drake seems to be able to do it with a chance to get a 200mil drop.


Be careful mate, if Nexeroff see you a lot around here you will be accused of being a robot.
fly safe.


Feya, are you Spanish or Hispanic at all? Because you seem to go out of your way to pretend you and all your toons are. Yet you use the word "mate" fairly regular, almost as if you were native to that particular slang for "friend".

Also, I am curious just how long you have been playing, you said 7 years. Have you been plaing that long with your toon Feya?

Did you spend all the time in training your toons up over that 7 years, because in my wildest imagination I cannot even begin to understand why you would turn and run away when faced with a toon, that is not experienced, and less than 3 months old, that makes no logical sense, yet you did so on several occasions with your alts/bots. If you did train them up, and were operating them, why would you run away like a scared child?

Just curious, some observations I have made while reading your posts. I do think leaving the complex, and swallowing your pride is probably very difficult for you, it takes a big person to admit they were wrong and do the right thing against all their previous proof they are not the type of person to do so. For that at least I commend you. What I don't understand is your bitching about other people flying the complex. It is there for everyone, not your personal little isk farm. Yet you seem really butthurt that other people would dare to work it, why? I never had any problem with other people in the complex, that is the entire point of the game, it also adds some competitiveness, what I minded was your bots one after another working the plex so heavy that nobody else had a chance to benefit from it at all. That is not only selfish, but against the EULA.

I hope this is all settled now, I hope you learned a lesson in all this, that if you abuse any system no matter what it is, be it a game or real life, that some people will stand up to you, and knock you right back down in your place. Even though I have not been in that particular complex in over a week, I still believe what is right is right, and if the game does not allow for certain things you should abide by the rules, not my rules, not how I believe things should be, but by the rules we all agreed to play by when we signed up for this game. EVE is a unique and interesting place with rules based totally different than our real life experiences, this makes it a very special place to interact with other people. So long as we play by those set of rules. If you want to be a success in this game, then choose to play within the scope of the rules that have been laid out, because I can promise you this. There will always be someone like me who believes instead of being a sheeple, instead of being apathetic and just simply accepting your abuse of the game, who will decide to stand up and say something.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#67 - 2013-06-17 03:39:18 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
A lot of "I'm an adult and you need to act like one" words that no one will probably read.


Get off your high horse and go play EVE already.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#68 - 2013-06-17 03:41:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Julius Priscus wrote:
Funguy2 wrote:
I also want to point out that Feya seems to have a fan club that likes every post she makes. She's got 77 likes from a single thread. I wish I had that many supporters....



well that player does have several accounts so...... you know where the likes came from lol.


It seems to me that person has purchased many if not all of those accounts, so who knows who she/he really is or how long they have been playing.

Here are the majority of her toons up for auction, which proves they were purchased and not played by her for 7 years. My own personal belief, and this is only my humble opinion, is that she works the complexes with her bots, then uses the isk to purchase toons she can use to bot other plexes with. So loosing them when she is caught is not a big deal, because she has already made enough to purchase more. And it would see she has purchased many many toons.

Check these out!

This is when Feya was purchased: http://eve-search.com/thread/685515-0/page/1#1

Megri: http://eve-search.com/thread/379499-0/page/1#14

This is a toon Megri was bidding on: http://eve-search.com/thread/399389-0/page/2

This is when she purchased Gordius Maximus: http://eve-search.com/thread/394954-0/page/1#23

This is when she purchase Karin Krash: http://eve-search.com/thread/525489-0/page/1#1

Also look at the posts her toons have made after their purchase. It would seem she has no problems speaking English at all. Why does she pretend she cannot speak English? Why does she pretend to be Spanish Speaking? I suspect it is because she wants to be able to deny botting, and claim she cannot understand English, like she has when people try to talk with her, claiming her English is not good.

Also if you read her toons bios, almost all claim she will not talk in local, and she auto dismisses every attempt to talk with her in chat.

Feya has stated "Nexreroff is really good at convincing others, who want to believe that I'm willing to risk chars of seven years using them as robots" I imagine if you are botting, like she has been botting, that the isk you make far outweighs the cost of purchasing new toons if they do get banned for botting. So the answer is yes, I think you would risk those toons because it really doesn't matter if you are purchasing them over and over off the boards. I think in your case you can not only afford it, but can afford multiple purchases all within a relatively short period of time specifically for the purpose of botting.

I also noticed that some of your purchased toons were expressing themselves in perfect english, and bidding on other toons that claimed to be perfect farming miners. All anyone has to do is to search for your bot names, and they soon will realize the point in your purchasing so many toons off the boards.

The evidence is piling up, the thing about liars is that if they lie long enough, eventually they will be exposed!
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#69 - 2013-06-17 03:46:16 UTC
You are past the "I have an issue with a botter" stage and are onto the "creepy mofo that will find out EVERYTHING about this player" stage.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#70 - 2013-06-17 03:54:58 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
A lot of "I'm an adult and you need to act like one" words that no one will probably read.


Get off your high horse and go play EVE already.


Who are you and why are you defending Feya, swinging from her bra strap so to speak? Does she have you under her thumb, or are you in fact her?

I don't know, so many very strange thigns have transpired in this thread, like someone else pointed out, Feya started with no likes, and now has many, that is a little odd.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#71 - 2013-06-17 04:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
You are past the "I have an issue with a botter" stage and are onto the "creepy mofo that will find out EVERYTHING about this player" stage.


And you seem to be following my posts so that you can post for the sake of posting?

Why are you swinging from my jock strap? Do I know you? Have I beaten you to the goods in a plex? Did I kill you somewhere? What is it that angers you so much about me that you follow me around like a puppy dog posting after me? I don't get it.

Do you just hate people who stand up and fight instead of laying down and giving up tears? Is that it?

Phffft, you are nothing but a drive by troller!

Why not add to this post, instead of just laying in wait to spring forth with some derogatory comment. When faced with all this information, you just resort to things like "creepy mofo"? And what is the point going out of your way to type something that sounds ghetto, when you have to think about doing so because you were originally taught how to express yourself correctly, with the correct words, etc. Why would anyone want to go out of their way to sound ignorant, poor and uneducated? Not that I have anything against anyone, nor is it my place to judge anyone, but why would you want to sound that way on purpose. Do you not have anything worthwhile to say, so you resort to what, name calling?

Grow up, and if you have nothing useful to add to this thread, why not take your own advice and go play EVE, or out in the freeway, or go play hide and go F*** yourself.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#72 - 2013-06-17 04:04:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tah'ris Khlador
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
A lot of "I'm an adult and you need to act like one" words that no one will probably read.


Get off your high horse and go play EVE already.


Who are you and why are you defending Feya, swinging from her bra strap so to speak? Does she have you under her thumb, or are you in fact her?

I don't know, so many very strange thigns have transpired in this thread, like someone else pointed out, Feya started with no likes, and now has many, that is a little odd.


You caught me. I am in fact Feya. I occasionally run things through google translate twice just to throw you off.

I've already posted several times in this thread as to why I'm countering arguments on what you all call overwhelming evidence of botting. For all I know, Feya is a bot. I don't really care.

Your wall of text reprimanding Feya as if you were some sort of white-knight superior makes me believe that if you were to ever be handled harshly in EVE, you would supply fantastic and generous tears. I mean, after all, look at how much crap spewed onto the forums from "OMG a bot! Raise the pitchforks!"

Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
And you seem to be following my posts so that you can post for the sake of posting?


I'm following this thread because at some point I posted in it and people continued to say stupid stuff. And you keep posting, so I'm inclined to return.

EDIT: Your implications that I am a carebear whom you've stolen from is adorable.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#73 - 2013-06-17 04:11:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
A lot of "I'm an adult and you need to act like one" words that no one will probably read.


Get off your high horse and go play EVE already.


Who are you and why are you defending Feya, swinging from her bra strap so to speak? Does she have you under her thumb, or are you in fact her?

I don't know, so many very strange thigns have transpired in this thread, like someone else pointed out, Feya started with no likes, and now has many, that is a little odd.


You caught me. I am in fact Feya. I occasionally run things through google translate twice just to throw you off.

I've already posted several times in this thread as to why I'm countering arguments on what you all call overwhelming evidence of botting. For all I know, Feya is a bot. I don't really care.

Your wall of text reprimanding Feya as if you were some sort of white-knight superior makes me believe that if you were to ever be handled harshly in EVE, you would supply fantastic and generous tears. I mean, after all, look at how much crap spewed onto the forums from "OMG a bot! Raise the pitchforks!"


Naw, no tears, I played Ultima Online since beta, I learned long ago not to become attached to pixels on a screen. And since I have been playing EVE, I have lost hundreds of millions in single shipments just because I find it fun to risk myself, and cargo, and purchase things in low sec to move to high sec for sale. Not that I am a sadist, but getting under your skin has been easy to do without even trying.

I have also learned how to negate gate camps, but don't believe me, look at my killmails, look at what I have lost, and then if you would like I can show you my wallet, all isk I have made in the game honestly and without botting.

You might not like me because I am intelligent, and you might not forgive me for being clever. But you have to admit that my argument holds true. And if you would like proof of my not being one of those that cries about loosing an expensive ship or getting ganked at a gate, I can forward you email from conversations I have had with mermites after getting ganked. I think they would tell you as I am here.

You assume far too much, without any basis in proof, I give proof and now am somehow this noob who cries about what? I think perhaps you just simply do not like people like me, if you knew me in real life however I think your opinion would be utterly different. Regardless, have fun with your drive by trolling, I think you are a bit over the top with your little smart remarks and looking for tears where there are none. If you keep posting, I will simply keep knocking you right back down until you crawl under the rock you crawled out from underneath.

I find it funny that you are telling me to go play EVE, yet you cannot help yourself to check this thread when it has nothing to do with you, just so you can post. Keep it going, I am enjoying this to be honest. And each time you post gives me another opportunity to further expose Feya. Each time you have brought something up it has given me an idea of how to prove you wrong, and I have done so time and again, which ironically leads to my proving Feya is botting, the very thing you hoped to argue against.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#74 - 2013-06-17 04:30:10 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
You assume far too much, without any basis in proof, I give proof and now am somehow this noob who cries about what? I think perhaps you just simply do not like people like me, if you knew me in real life however I think your opinion would be utterly different. Regardless, have fun with your drive by trolling, I think you are a bit over the top with your little smart remarks and looking for tears where there are none. If you keep posting, I will simply keep knocking you right back down until you crawl under the rock you crawled out from underneath.


Of course I would have a different opinion of you in RL. EVE is not RL.

What proof? Literally the only way to prove if Feya is a bot is to 1) Be on her computer 2) Look at CCP logs. Since you can do neither, you can only speculate based on reasonable data that can all be disproven through random acts of carebearing. And again, I don't give a **** about her being a bot. But logic that a bot exists because "she warps out!" and "is on all the time, in my area!" and "she won't respond to my convos/evemails/local chat!" and even "all the ships move as one" are just behaviors that can be attributed elsewhere.

I speculated on your ingame crying because of your high-horse posts. You may not provide tears to losing space pixels. Bravo to you.

I also played way too many years of Ultima Online and I'm also very familiar with the botting software used with UO. I can generally identify a bot in UO because they are very distinctive in their repetitive patterns and UO is extremely PVE orientated where the bots reside. In EVE, everywhere is PVP, and carebears react in a variety of random and often absurd ways. I am far more likely to go to Funt and accuse the CNRs with names of Jdhwjr and 1 man corporations of being bots than I would of Feya, because if Feya is botting, he/she is doing a much better job of mudding the waters.

I am retiring from the forums for the evening, but rest assured I shall rise again from underneath the bridge.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#75 - 2013-06-17 04:56:03 UTC
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
I am retiring from the forums for the evening, but rest assured I shall rise again from underneath the bridge.


Lol, alright, well I will look for you tomorrow, underneath the bridge...

I'm curious, which shard did you play on UO? I still have 5 accounts, only problem is that they are all reds for the most part, and nobody wants to be killed in Fel anymore.
Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#76 - 2013-06-17 07:53:52 UTC
The best way to cheat is mixing lies with truths, Nexeroff're a teacher, you have a huge future in politics.
You know how to use the information to destroy anyone who gets in your way, I've been a fool thinking that you really believed that I was using bots, when I had this all planned from the beginning, his game is not the complex. His game is to choose a player and destroy. Years ago the complex was more money than he knew how to spend it, so while training one Char, we bought another and trained, I've never removed a char of these. As for the likes I put myself with my alts. I hope this is my last post.
I do not want Nexeroff continue to investigate and find my facebook, possibly convert my friends into lovers and destroy my marriage.

fly safe.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#77 - 2013-06-17 08:01:55 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
The best way to cheat is mixing lies with truths, Nexeroff're a teacher, you have a huge future in politics.
You know how to use the information to destroy anyone who gets in your way, I've been a fool thinking that you really believed that I was using bots, when I had this all planned from the beginning, his game is not the complex. His game is to choose a player and destroy. Years ago the complex was more money than he knew how to spend it, so while training one Char, we bought another and trained, I've never removed a char of these. As for the likes I put myself with my alts. I hope this is my last post.
I do not want Nexeroff continue to investigate and find my facebook, possibly convert my friends into lovers and destroy my marriage.

fly safe.



Wait, hold on, you are MARRIED?

I play as much as I do because I am recovering from a car accident. I have tons of free time on my hands, and cannot really get around very well. But you are married?

So if I understand you correctly, you would have us believe that you are married, that you are not botting but in fact at your computer all the hours and hours your toons are working the complex, and you are worried about me harming your marriage?

That makes no sense. If you are really concerned about your marriage, perhaps you should spend more time devoted to it, rather than the hours and hours you would have us believe you are not botting the complex yet playing. I cannot even begin to imagine how you think anyone would believe your line of crap. You cannot have enough hours in the day to do what you do in this game, and keep a husband.

I think you live an entire made up life of lies, that;s my opinion, but it seems to be far more likely than what you would have those of us with half a brain in our heads, believe.
Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#78 - 2013-06-17 08:37:54 UTC
Every thing I say vd. will give you around and use it against me. Vd is right about one thing, also I have children and grandchildren and so far I've used play therapy for my disease. Not good for me this kind of discussion, so I will return to play if you let me. of course I do not play as many hours as you say but hey sure to find a new "truth" to discredit more. Also will say I'm lying and trying to tease me for more information about me. I think it would be best to find someone else to destroy me I'm tired. See you at the plex if there remains something.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#79 - 2013-06-17 08:49:42 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Every thing I say vd. will give you around and use it against me. Vd is right about one thing, also I have children and grandchildren and so far I've used play therapy for my disease. Not good for me this kind of discussion, so I will return to play if you let me. of course I do not play as many hours as you say but hey sure to find a new "truth" to discredit more. Also will say I'm lying and trying to tease me for more information about me. I think it would be best to find someone else to destroy me I'm tired. See you at the plex if there remains something.


I don't care if you are honestly playing the plex with a character controlled by a human, but if you bot in the plex I will report it and do everything else in my power to prevent you from ruining other peoples gameplayy within the rules allowed.

I hope to see you in the complex, honestly flying one toon that is not being botted, that would at the very least lead me to believe you were trying to change and be an honest player, rather than someone who is consistently botting and cheating.

Good luck, and I truly hope you have learned that if you cheat, if you are dishonest, if you play these games with toons and botting that some people will have the tenacity and honesty to expose what it is you are doing.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#80 - 2013-06-17 12:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Evolution1979
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Feya Kortimna wrote:
The best way to cheat is mixing lies with truths, Nexeroff're a teacher, you have a huge future in politics.
You know how to use the information to destroy anyone who gets in your way, I've been a fool thinking that you really believed that I was using bots, when I had this all planned from the beginning, his game is not the complex. His game is to choose a player and destroy. Years ago the complex was more money than he knew how to spend it, so while training one Char, we bought another and trained, I've never removed a char of these. As for the likes I put myself with my alts. I hope this is my last post.
I do not want Nexeroff continue to investigate and find my facebook, possibly convert my friends into lovers and destroy my marriage.

fly safe.



Wait, hold on, you are MARRIED?

I play as much as I do because I am recovering from a car accident. I have tons of free time on my hands, and cannot really get around very well. But you are married?



In other words, Nexeroff is probably a raging nerd with glasses, living in his mother basement, profiting free food and unable to get a girlfriend or boyfirend. (wichever suits you best ofcourse)

Edit: I would advise you to stop harrassing the good names of people who actually do make something of their real lives and stop being a leech to society!