EVE General Discussion

It observably means worse, actually, if you look at WoW's model.



Yeah, I tear those guys a new one. Thing is, this is also observably a genuine, honest, calculated reaction. After all, so many great games died from the influence of the casuals. I will never forgive them for what happened to Ultima Online.



Seemingly irrationally, in any case. Your explanation shows that, for many people, this is actually a calculated and impassioned defense of the game they love, the way they love it, that just happens to also involve the extremely fun activity of trolling away the opposition.

Most of what you describe is in Star Trek Online, and its free-to-play. Eve's constant threat of non-consensual PvP and that your decisions have consequences is what makes Eve Eve though and ruins me for all MMO's now. I guess STO doesn't really have Eve-like quality in the avatars, but no game really could at the current technology level. I think that is mostly why the CQ only got built. The developers realized that what they built couldn't scale beyond 1 or 2 players in a room. So they had this awesome CQ and character walking around and they can't open the door because most people's computers couldn't render it.

Then there was the Incarna freak-out about the Nex store and the lack of content beyond the CQ. Pretty sure thats when CCP said, "Screw you guys, we'll develop WiS only we're going to call it DUST 514 and WoD" and they spent your Eve money on that.

Hmm… so we'll see how DMCA-happy Fox is today, but for reference, have a look at these videos (now lost in time since they only existed as linked files, four EVE website revisions ago, and since CCP never bothered with uploading them). Some newcomers may have never even seen them:

· The original 2008 WiS presentation.
· WiS environments.
· WiS game design.

Of course, as far as anyone can tell, that was all been scratched and they restarted from, if not zero, then 0.09 or so.

Damn, watching those again, I noticed that CCP was far more down to earth and less die-hard organized at the time.

They've really grown from a grass-roots business to a major company, haven't they?

i'll be honest here, after putting my list of suggestion in another thread here, in order to make WiS succesfull, it would mean to basically redo the whole game, well, in order to make it practical. i mean:

1. the content that could have been used was spent in creating DUST514, this could have been a good way to bring WiS to life in EVE, but CCP decided that it was easier to just invent another game in the same universe.

2. if EVE is about sandbox, then WiS has to be sandbox too, that means implementing tons of content that would require several expansions to develop. and we know that even with spaceship content CCP hasnt still fixed parts of it (sov, POSes, etc..)

3. the server would require more power for calculating the aditional algorithms, even if we would have to give instanced station interiors and instanced planet landscapes

4. the capsule concept pretty much fucks part of the character metagame, why?, well, capsuleers are stuck on their pods while flying in space, so you wouldnt be able to visit the interiors of your spaceship, unless you were out of the pod, and that means being docked, player content like exploring derelicts and ruins with player character would have to allow a system to dock the ship and of course, secure the docking bay in order to explore those environment (it would be interesting anyways)

5. "Playing with Spaceships" fags wouldnt allow it, they're too much biased with the idea of getting out of spaceship content for a while (even when the whole game history has been about spaceship content, expansion after expansion)

6. CCP cannot just put WiS and not interconnect it with spaceship content, it would take out the main part of the game, of course, there's several ways in that both character and spaceship content can interact, like atmospheric flying, planet landing, using industrials for colonization, heck we could even use doomsday devices for planetary warfare. but it goes again to points 2 and 5.

now, i dont discourage the idea, i would really like to get out of the CQ and explore the universe without having to be stuck in a pod 24/7, but i have to be realist, for those wondering which ideas i was putting look at this thread (from page 52 to 53): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&p=52

The multitude of reasons Incarna failed:
The had no idea of what gameplay it could allow (they still don't)
CQ made people trying to simply play the game the way they always had much harder
If you didn't want wait for the CQ to load or you didn't want to overheat you GFX card you didn't get the old hangar back you got a wall.
The golden ammo newsletter and the cash shop in general.
It was overhyped and they clearly had issues even delivering the almost nonexistent content they did deliver (what could possibly be so hard about producing 3 other CQ's?)
The public statement by senior devs that core Eve gameplay issues that desperately needed to be worked on were going to have to wait at least 18 months while they did more WiS stuff.

Reasons to not go back to it (it actually should be deleted)
They still have no idea how to add gameplay to it.
It actually violates canon and immersion (capsuleers don't leave their capsules since they can permanently die if they are not in their pods)
Eve has long accommodated less than top of the line computers. CQ still over taxes many of those GFX cards.
And finally a big chunk of the fan base hated it then, hates it now and would likely unsub if they tried to force more of it on us (just check out the sub numbers and players online in the aftermath of Incarna)